Can Hillary Still Win?
November 23rd, 2016 at 12:59:53 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | Lots of Dems seem to think Hillary can still win. They're calling for recounts in WI, MI, and PA, to ferret out all the voting machine tampering they think the Repub's did. They're sending non stop threatening emails to electors to get them to vote for anybody but Trump on Dec 19th. If they can get 36 of them to change, Trump won't have 270. The DOJ is getting thousands of calls to do do a nationwide recount of every vote in every state. The DOJ says they don't do investigations based on phone calls, they need actual evidence, of which there is none, that any voter fraud went on. The bottom line is, even if Trump got 269 votes, it would go to the Republican congress they would make Trump president because he has so many more electoral votes than Hillary. So let the Dems scream and stomp their feet all they want. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 23rd, 2016 at 1:28:20 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18557 |
I thought we were leaving the age of actual evidence once Trump was elected. It would actually be better for the Democrats if Trump has to be elected by a Republican congress. Just more repudiation. Kind of like the Republicans not voting for the ACA. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
November 23rd, 2016 at 1:31:24 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
They'll never get 36 electors to break the law, they're lucky if they get 6. It would make Hillary's loss look even more graphic if congress had to put Trump in the WH. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 23rd, 2016 at 2:30:11 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | I thought 2 million dead people and 3 million illegal immigrants voted. Now there is no evidence of voter fraud? How can this be? "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
November 23rd, 2016 at 2:43:10 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Nobody ever said dead people were voting, just that they were still on the rolls. Lots of illegals voted, but not enough to make any kind of difference. When all the absentee votes have been counted eventually, Hillary will have the popular vote by more than 2%. But most of those will be in Calif and NY, they don't matter in the big picture. If they got rid of the Electoral College, we would never see a president other than Lib. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 23rd, 2016 at 2:51:43 PM permalink | |
TheCesspit Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 1929 |
Which law? 29 states have laws against faithless electors, and have never been enacted. It's different for each state. Others can vote how they choose. They have very good reasons to vote for the party that elected them and stay faithful, but it's not always a legal requirement. Michigan and Minnesota have methods in place to force any faithless votes to be invalidated. The rest of the country lets electors vote how they choose. Most of those are red states, I think. Note, that only MN and MI are prior to the vote... the others only bring the law in AFTER a faithless elector has voted. ---- It's a silly idea though. The only moral cause for the electors to change from doing their job was if they have a real concern that the person to be made POTUS would be actually harmful to the US. Not 'we think he's a horrible person', more 'he's actually a double agent from the UK designed to bring down our state' or 'we have real physcial evidence that he's been paid $3 billion to sell off all the oil to Putin' type thing. None of which is in play by any reasonable source. The fact he's a totem for the nasty shits in the Alt-right/neo-Nazi/Racists movement is not enough to disbar him from office, nor do many of the other things he's done, said or has allegedly done. The time for that has passed.. the US public voted in it's system, and unless there's something hinky in the election results, that's what you got. Playing rules lawyer cos the vote didn't go the way you wanted is BS. It's like when there was 1000's of word analysis on how Bernie could still win before the last couple of states voted, or how Cruz could still be the GOP choice at the convention. Daydreaming what-ifs that don't actually help anyone except filling blog and column inches. It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die.... it's called Life |
November 23rd, 2016 at 2:57:59 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18557 | One of the justifications I read for electors changing their vote, is not necessarily that it will work, but that it will help discredit the electoral system. That can serve a purpose if you want to get rid of something. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
November 23rd, 2016 at 3:08:56 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
Yeah. That really hurt the Republicans in congres. The President is a fink. |
November 23rd, 2016 at 3:40:29 PM permalink | |
TheCesspit Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 1929 |
The recent faithless electors appear to have been protesting. Yet the EC still exists. Doesn't feel like the place to be changing it. It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die.... it's called Life |
November 23rd, 2016 at 5:14:51 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18557 |
I don't understand. Attempts to do things can fail many times. Sometimes they eventually exceed. Sometimes you just need tweak it; sometimes you need different conditions or different ideas. Many things worth doing often follow that pattern. When you don't think it's worth doing you stop. Not 'cause you fail. (This lesson brought to you by many people.) You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |