Can Hillary Still Win?

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November 23rd, 2016 at 12:59:53 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Lots of Dems seem to think Hillary
can still win. They're calling for
recounts in WI, MI, and PA, to
ferret out all the voting machine
tampering they think the Repub's
did. They're sending non stop
threatening emails to electors to
get them to vote for anybody
but Trump on Dec 19th. If they
can get 36 of them to change,
Trump won't have 270.

The DOJ is getting thousands of
calls to do do a nationwide recount
of every vote in every state. The
DOJ says they don't do investigations
based on phone calls, they need
actual evidence, of which there is
none, that any voter fraud went on.

The bottom line is, even if Trump
got 269 votes, it would go to the
Republican congress they would make
Trump president because he has
so many more electoral votes than
Hillary. So let the Dems scream and
stomp their feet all they want.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
November 23rd, 2016 at 1:28:20 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Evenbob
, they need
actual evidence


I thought we were leaving the age of actual evidence once Trump was elected.

It would actually be better for the Democrats if Trump has to be elected by a Republican congress. Just more repudiation. Kind of like the Republicans not voting for the ACA.
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November 23rd, 2016 at 1:31:24 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: rxwine

It would actually be better for the Democrats if Trump has to be elected by a Republican congress.


They'll never get 36 electors to break
the law, they're lucky if they get 6.
It would make Hillary's loss look even
more graphic if congress had to put
Trump in the WH.
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November 23rd, 2016 at 2:30:11 PM permalink
Dalex64
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I thought 2 million dead people and 3 million illegal immigrants voted.

Now there is no evidence of voter fraud? How can this be?
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November 23rd, 2016 at 2:43:10 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Dalex64
I thought 2 million dead people and 3 million illegal immigrants voted.


Nobody ever said dead people were
voting, just that they were still on the
rolls. Lots of illegals voted, but not
enough to make any kind of difference.

When all the absentee votes have been
counted eventually, Hillary will have the
popular vote by more than 2%. But most
of those will be in Calif and NY, they
don't matter in the big picture. If they got
rid of the Electoral College, we would never
see a president other than Lib.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
November 23rd, 2016 at 2:51:43 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: Evenbob
They'll never get 36 electors to break
the law, they're lucky if they get 6.
It would make Hillary's loss look even
more graphic if congress had to put
Trump in the WH.


Which law? 29 states have laws against faithless electors, and have never been enacted. It's different for each state. Others can vote how they choose. They have very good reasons to vote for the party that elected them and stay faithful, but it's not always a legal requirement. Michigan and Minnesota have methods in place to force any faithless votes to be invalidated. The rest of the country lets electors vote how they choose. Most of those are red states, I think. Note, that only MN and MI are prior to the vote... the others only bring the law in AFTER a faithless elector has voted.

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It's a silly idea though. The only moral cause for the electors to change from doing their job was if they have a real concern that the person to be made POTUS would be actually harmful to the US. Not 'we think he's a horrible person', more 'he's actually a double agent from the UK designed to bring down our state' or 'we have real physcial evidence that he's been paid $3 billion to sell off all the oil to Putin' type thing. None of which is in play by any reasonable source. The fact he's a totem for the nasty shits in the Alt-right/neo-Nazi/Racists movement is not enough to disbar him from office, nor do many of the other things he's done, said or has allegedly done. The time for that has passed.. the US public voted in it's system, and unless there's something hinky in the election results, that's what you got.

Playing rules lawyer cos the vote didn't go the way you wanted is BS. It's like when there was 1000's of word analysis on how Bernie could still win before the last couple of states voted, or how Cruz could still be the GOP choice at the convention. Daydreaming what-ifs that don't actually help anyone except filling blog and column inches.
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November 23rd, 2016 at 2:57:59 PM permalink
rxwine
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One of the justifications I read for electors changing their vote, is not necessarily that it will work, but that it will help discredit the electoral system.

That can serve a purpose if you want to get rid of something.
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November 23rd, 2016 at 3:08:56 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
I thought we were leaving the age of actual evidence once Trump was elected.

It would actually be better for the Democrats if Trump has to be elected by a Republican congress. Just more repudiation. Kind of like the Republicans not voting for the ACA.


Yeah. That really hurt the Republicans in congres.
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November 23rd, 2016 at 3:40:29 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: rxwine
One of the justifications I read for electors changing their vote, is not necessarily that it will work, but that it will help discredit the electoral system.

That can serve a purpose if you want to get rid of something.


The recent faithless electors appear to have been protesting. Yet the EC still exists. Doesn't feel like the place to be changing it.
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November 23rd, 2016 at 5:14:51 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: TheCesspit
The recent faithless electors appear to have been protesting. Yet the EC still exists. Doesn't feel like the place to be changing it.


I don't understand.

Attempts to do things can fail many times. Sometimes they eventually exceed. Sometimes you just need tweak it; sometimes you need different conditions or different ideas.

Many things worth doing often follow that pattern. When you don't think it's worth doing you stop. Not 'cause you fail.

(This lesson brought to you by many people.)
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