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August 6th, 2017 at 12:59:29 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Seems like there could be a slant if the movie is based mostly on Kroc's book.


I think it is more from "Behind the Arches," which is not Kroc's book. His autobiography is "Grinding it Out," which I have yet to read.
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August 6th, 2017 at 2:55:39 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Frankly, I found the movie depressing. A washed
up salesman with a wife that's never happy with
anything. Two poor innocent hayseeds (they were
not 'innocent') who got screwed over by a corporate
giant. There was nothing uplifting here. It ticked me
off a little when Croc was confused and baffled that
they gave him his food in a bag. Had he never seen
take out before? They had been giving take out food
in paper bags since 1900, it was nothing new. We
stopped at chicken joints in the mid 50's when
on vacation and the food always came in a bag.

It ticked me off because they tried to make it look
like MdD's invented the concept.
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August 7th, 2017 at 8:13:25 AM permalink
Mosca
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I loved this movie. I saw Kroc as a hero, a guy who had huge dreams that were constantly being stymied by people who didn't have any vision. Mrs Mosca didn't understand that. I guess you see what you want to see.

Lets not forget that after Ray died, Joan gave away most of his fortune, as AIDS hospices, victims' funds, alcoholism treatment centers, etc. Her donation of $2B to the Salvation Army set up dozens of rec centers in poor neighborhoods.
August 7th, 2017 at 9:16:46 AM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
Croc could have easily stole their idea
and made it his own, but he didn't. They
gave a lame ass reason why he didn't
at the end, but the real reason was, he
wasn't that kind of guy. He needed the
Bros for absolutely nothing, he could have
stolen it all right out from under them..


I'm not sure I see your point. There was that bathroom scene where he said he didn't just copy the idea because he liked the name "McDonalds." It couldn't have been vengeance over the Chicago deal because I assume that happened later in the story. I took him at his word that he just liked the name McDonalds. I also think that at that point Kroc was not the scumbag he turned out to be and genuinely liked the McDonalds brothers.

Quote:
And they also left out that the Bros were thrilled
to get $1.35 mil each at the time. It was much
later, when McD's became worth hundreds of
millions and billions that they claimed they
had a handshake deal for 1%. No lawyer or
anybody even as dumb as the Doofus boys
would have fallen for that. Croc always adamantly
denied it ever happened.


I find it kind of dubious too that with the McDonald's lawyer right there he didn't protest the handshake part of the deal. I think any lawyer would have said "no way" to that. Do agree that they were probably happy to get 1.35M each. A lot of money back than. When I sold my sites it was certainly bittersweet to give up my baby but the price made that pill pretty easy to swallow. In retrospect, no regrets at all.
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August 7th, 2017 at 11:09:47 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Wizard
I also think that at that point Kroc was not the scumbag he turned out to be and genuinely liked the McDonalds brothers.


He hated them by that point. That is why he opened the store down the street from The Big M and ran them out of business.

In reality, the brothers called him to sell, not like it was in the movie. They hid that the San Bernadino store was not part of the deal until late in the process. It was the last straw. Kroc made many changes large and small to improve the system, the brothers never signed off on any of them.

They invented the Spee D Service system, Kroc invented the McDonald's system. The later is what made McDonald's.
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August 7th, 2017 at 11:12:04 AM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: AZDuffman
He hated them by that point. That is why he opened the store down the street from The Big M and ran them out of business.


I'm only saying he liked them at first, before they ever did business together, other than selling them blenders.
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August 7th, 2017 at 11:22:46 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Wizard
I'm not sure I see your point. There was that bathroom scene where he said he didn't just copy the idea because he liked the name "McDonalds." .


Like I said, they gave a lame reason. Are
we supposed to believe Croc tied himself
to the Doofus Bros because of their name?
There are a hundred names as good or better.
Their name wasn't known outside the area
where they lived, it meant nothing to anybody.
He could have called it McDougals or
Clanahans, it would have been just as successful.
You went there for a 15 cent burgers and fries
in under a minute, not because of the name.

And yes, in 1961 $1.35 million was a huge amount
of money. That's $11.5 million in today's money.
The Bros were not spring chickens, the older one
was 60, the other in his mid 50's. They were ecstatic
at such a windfall at the end of their careers.
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August 7th, 2017 at 11:58:22 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Evenbob

And yes, in 1961 $1.35 million was a huge amount
of money. That's $11.5 million in today's money.
The Bros were not spring chickens, the older one
was 60, the other in his mid 50's. They were ecstatic
at such a windfall at the end of their careers.


Much better than some of Henry Ford's partners who were basically kicked out without a cent. I've heard Steve Jobs had little concern for partners too.

Better have a contract, and better read it.
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August 7th, 2017 at 12:04:50 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: rxwine
Much better than some of Henry Ford's partners who were basically kicked out without a cent.


The Beverly Hillbillies came on in 1962.
They initially had $10 million, which would
be a joke today. It was enough to buy a
huge mansion and live like kings. So
imagine how the Bros felt with $1.35
mil each.
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August 7th, 2017 at 12:34:02 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Evenbob
The Beverly Hillbillies came on in 1962.
They initially had $10 million, which would
be a joke today. It was enough to buy a
huge mansion and live like kings. So
imagine how the Bros felt with $1.35
mil each.


If you have any 10 million jokes you can send them this way.

Anyway, in the first episode, Granny asks Jeb how much he got for their swamp land useless for fishing because of oil. He says 70. She thinks 70 dollars and thinks he was ripped of, but it's million dollars. They still don't understand and think million is a word for some kind of fake money. Cousin Minnie Pearl straightens them out later though.

I think their house was 10 mil though.
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