The Holy Trinity

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April 17th, 2017 at 12:45:39 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Now that the mythical Jesus has risen (yet again),
lets talk about the Trinity. Father son and holy
spirit. What does this mean, exactly.

"God is one, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father."

Because this is an impossible riddle, it's obviously
meant to have no real meaning. It's like a Zen
koan, a question the master asks a student who
then has to come up with the right response.
But there is no right response, so what the heck.

The Trinity has to be like that. It's meant to be
confusing to sound mysterious. It must be profound
because it can't be figured out, like the koan
"what is the sound of one hand clapping".
The Trinity is a religious trick.
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April 17th, 2017 at 8:12:10 PM permalink
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My understanding is that they (father, son, and holy spirit) are all the same thing. There are at least 100 bible verses to support that. Meanwhile, the word "trinity" or any form of it is nowhere to be found in the bible.
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April 17th, 2017 at 8:44:15 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Are you bored with your food? With very little effort, you can shift the flavors and give your meal an ethnic twist if you focus on the holy trinity. Not THE Holy Trinity ~ the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ~ but the holy trinity of seasoning. The original phrase was used to apply to the base of Cajun cooking, but it has come to remind chefs of the basic beginnings of recipes from many other regions.


Cajun ~ Onion, Celery, Bell Pepper
Southwestern ~ Cumin, Garlic, Cilantro
Chinese ~ Scallions, Ginger, Garlic
Mexican ~ Corn, Beans, Chilis
Greek ~ Lemon Juice, Garlic, Oregano
Italian ~ Garlic, Basil, Tomato
April 17th, 2017 at 8:50:44 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Wizard
My understanding is that they (father, son, and holy spirit) are all the same thing. .


But if the Father is not the Son, the Son
is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit
is not the Father, how can they be the
same thing. They cannot be used interchangably.

"Ultimately, the Trinity it is incomprehensible to the human mind."

So the mind thinks up a question it can't
answer. It's a zen koan, like I said. It's not
a real thing, it's a puzzle with no answer.
It's kind of a trick, to make you think there's
a 'there' there, when there really isn't one.
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April 17th, 2017 at 9:53:01 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
But if the Father is not the Son, the Son
is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit
is not the Father, how can they be the
same thing. They cannot be used interchangably.


I never said those assumptions are true. I, of course, don't subscribe to any religion but my interpretation of the bible matches most closely to Oneness Pentecostalism.
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April 17th, 2017 at 11:26:17 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Wizard
I never said those assumptions are true. I, of course, don't subscribe to any religion but my interpretation of the bible matches most closely to Oneness Pentecostalism.


Never heard of that one, fascinating.

'Oneness Pentecostals generally argue that the Godhead is in Jesus, yet Jesus is not in the Godhead' Another riddle.

If there's a heaven, it has to be
a 2 mile long boardroom table with a seat for
all the 2500 offshoots of Christianity, so they
can argue for eternity about its real meaning.
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April 18th, 2017 at 6:13:43 AM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
'Oneness Pentecostals generally argue that the Godhead is in Jesus, yet Jesus is not in the Godhead' Another riddle.


I can't speak for them but I saw where the Wiki page said that. I think they would explain it as the "Godhead" is like a force or energy, which they refer to as the Holy Spirit, which they put a lot of emphasis on. Kind of like in Star Wars. It was in Jesus, the man. However, a physical thing, like Jesus' body, can't be in spirit.

Star Wars is the best comparison I can think of. You might say that when Obi-Wan Kenobi died his ghost kept appearing. I would argue, to keep the comparison going, it was just an illusion for the benefit of the living. The Godhead sometimes had to use illusions, like a burning bush, when he needed to deliver a message.
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April 18th, 2017 at 6:45:10 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Mexican ~ Corn, Beans, Chilis


Uh, corn and beans are staples, not seasonings.
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April 18th, 2017 at 8:57:53 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
But if the Father is not the Son, the Son
is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit
is not the Father, how can they be the
same thing. They cannot be used interchangably.


You are missing the idea of consubstanial. This means that Father, Son, and Spirit are the same substance, or divinity. They are still different persons and distinct. The Trinity is three distinct persons that share the same nature of divinity.
April 18th, 2017 at 11:40:06 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
The Trinity is three distinct persons that share the same nature of divinity.


But god is not human, he's not a person. In
the myth god is the thing from which all
things come from. So you have to be saying
there is god, father, son and HS, all separate.
That's even stranger than the Trinity.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
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