The Holy Trinity
April 18th, 2017 at 11:52:47 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Don't think of personhood as meaning human. To be a person is to be unique or distinct. God is one substance or nature, namely Divine, and three unique and equal distinct persons. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 18th, 2017 at 1:13:57 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Why not 10 then, or a billion, or 8 billion. By that description we are all a unique part of god. Equal and distinct. How do you know this isn't so. We can't find god because we are god. He doesn't answer prayers because it's just him praying to himself. We can't find evidence of a god out there, because he's everywhere. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 18th, 2017 at 5:32:51 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Because there is 3.
No, you are not consubstantial with God. You are not divine in your nature and equal to God. You are made in the image and likeness of God and therefore share some of His attributes but make no mistake about it your nature is not divine. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 18th, 2017 at 7:43:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
But seriously, how do you know. If god can split himself into 4 entities, god, the father, Jesus, and the HS, why can't he be 8 billion? The Hindus believe we are all divine, that we are all a part of the bigger picture. That our souls have existed forever and are indestructible. This seems less far fetched than the story of Christianity. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 18th, 2017 at 10:50:09 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
And far less real and historical. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 18th, 2017 at 11:16:52 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Hysterical is more like it. When urban legends written 2000 years ago start being taken as historical fact, cows will certainly fly. The 2500 sects of your own religion can't even agree on the 'facts', that's how dependable your urban legend masqurerading as historical facts are. The Hindus don't care if you believe them or not. Their religion isn't run like it's a game show, with prizes for doing good and punishment for doing bad. You're in it for the long term, not the extreme short term of of what for many is a confused, poverty stricken dreary life where you better choose correctly or be damned forever to hell. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 19th, 2017 at 8:09:04 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Indeed that doesn't happen. That is why Christianity is obviously built upon historical fact.
Every single one of them believe Jesus suffered, died, was buried, and rose again.
One might ask why not? Does it really not matter to them? It is not important? Do they not think it is really true? Is it not a benefit to someone to be a Hindu? If they are holding back truth in some type of selfish desire to not share it with me I would be very upset.
What are you talking about? Is life a game show? Does their religion not fit with the world around us where good is rewarded and bad punished? What happens in their religion? Are the bad rewarded or the good punished? Are neither rewarded or punished?
So do you mean that no matter what the poverty stricken person may choose he or she has to repeat life over and over again? What if they come back in a worse state? When does it end? Is there fairness or justice?
Is there a difference here between the rich or the poor? Don't both have to choose correctly? Is there a problem with our actions carrying eternal significance? Shouldn't we experience at some point the ultimate peace and justice we desire in our hearts? I know you are not a Hindu but these are the types of questions that my Jesuit formation would have me ask. There isn't anything Christian really in the questions they are just taking what you espoused at face value and asking important questions that need to be answered. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 19th, 2017 at 9:14:35 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Jesus died, that's the only fact you have. Everything else about his life is speculation, hence 2500 offshoots of the religion.
It doesn't matter to Buddhists either, why on earth would it. You really don't know much about these other religions, do you.
Good grief no, that's why we invent religions. Those are human concepts, the universe knows nothing about fairness or justice. Just look around sometime.
Eternal, they barely have temporary significance. You're old enough to remember 25 years ago. Do you dwell a lot on your actions then? You don't even remember most of them, nobody does. Your actions have significance in the eternal moment, that's about it. They soon dwindle away, to be replaced by others of equal non significance.
But they aren't important at all are they. What was an important question last week might be meaningless this week. You're selling a specific religion, so you're job is to always be 'closing', as they say in the sales trade. You're always closing the deal. Like a new car salesman, you have a set of really important questions each customer should be asking himself. But you have lifetime customers so you have to keep those questions current and relevant. It was much easier in the old days when threats and guilt worked wonders. But today 85% of Catholics don't even go mass or confession on a regular basis, your important questions have lost meaning because people have moved on. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 19th, 2017 at 11:41:44 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
If that was the only fact then there would be no Christianity. Everything else about His life is true hence the 25000000000 followers of the religion.
Why should I learn about these other religions if it doesn't even matter to them? Why should it matter to me if they don't seem too excited about it themselves?
So humanity is different than the universe, I agree wholeheartedly. The question is should we just abandon the concepts of fairness and justice just because the universe knows nothing of them or should we follow our God given consciences and strive to add justice and love into our universe?
Every decision I have made has made me the person I am. Every action I take builds on those past actions.
There are some questions that are and always will be important and our answers to them define our lives. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 19th, 2017 at 12:00:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
But it is the only fact, that's why the 2500 offshoots argue about all the details of the rest of it. They aren't facts at all.
And they about yours. The only religion people are interested in is the one they were indoctrinated with since they were born. That's all they see or care about. An atheist can see them all without emotion or conflict, look at the advantage that gives him.
No. Just realize they come from us and not from some god or place outside of us.
Not sounding much like your thoughts and actions have the 'eternal consequences' you speak of. In a roundabout way, it's true. But mostly our thoughts and actions reflect and reinforce who we already are, they don't build on anything. It's not like building a brick wall that gets taller and taller. We mostly just run in place from a very young age.
What questions, name one. Just one. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |