The Holy Trinity

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April 18th, 2017 at 11:52:47 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Don't think of personhood as meaning human. To be a person is to be unique or distinct. God is one substance or nature, namely Divine, and three unique and equal distinct persons.
April 18th, 2017 at 1:13:57 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Don't think of personhood as meaning human. To be a person is to be unique or distinct. God is one substance or nature, namely Divine, and three unique and equal distinct persons.


Why not 10 then, or a billion, or 8
billion. By that description we are
all a unique part of god. Equal
and distinct. How do you know
this isn't so. We can't find god
because we are god. He doesn't
answer prayers because it's just
him praying to himself. We can't
find evidence of a god out there,
because he's everywhere.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 18th, 2017 at 5:32:51 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Why not 10 then, or a billion, or 8
billion.


Because there is 3.

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By that description we are
all a unique part of god. Equal
and distinct.


No, you are not consubstantial with God. You are not divine in your nature and equal to God. You are made in the image and likeness of God and therefore share some of His attributes but make no mistake about it your nature is not divine.
April 18th, 2017 at 7:43:43 PM permalink
Evenbob
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but make no mistake about it your nature is not divine.


But seriously, how do you know. If god
can split himself into 4 entities, god,
the father, Jesus, and the HS, why can't
he be 8 billion? The Hindus believe we
are all divine, that we are all a part of
the bigger picture. That our souls have
existed forever and are indestructible.

This seems less far fetched than the story
of Christianity.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 18th, 2017 at 10:50:09 PM permalink
FrGamble
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This seems less far fetched than the story
of Christianity.


And far less real and historical.
April 18th, 2017 at 11:16:52 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
And far less real and historical.


Hysterical is more like it. When urban
legends written 2000 years ago
start being taken as historical fact,
cows will certainly fly. The 2500
sects of your own religion can't
even agree on the 'facts', that's
how dependable your urban
legend masqurerading as historical
facts are.

The Hindus don't care if you believe
them or not. Their religion isn't run
like it's a game show, with prizes
for doing good and punishment for
doing bad. You're in it for the long
term, not the extreme short term of
of what for many is a confused,
poverty stricken dreary life where you
better choose correctly or be damned
forever to hell.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 19th, 2017 at 8:09:04 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
When urban
legends written 2000 years ago
start being taken as historical fact,
cows will certainly fly.


Indeed that doesn't happen. That is why Christianity is obviously built upon historical fact.

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The 2500
sects of your own religion can't
even agree on the 'facts',


Every single one of them believe Jesus suffered, died, was buried, and rose again.


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The Hindus don't care if you believe
them or not.


One might ask why not? Does it really not matter to them? It is not important? Do they not think it is really true? Is it not a benefit to someone to be a Hindu? If they are holding back truth in some type of selfish desire to not share it with me I would be very upset.

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Their religion isn't run
like it's a game show, with prizes
for doing good and punishment for
doing bad.


What are you talking about? Is life a game show? Does their religion not fit with the world around us where good is rewarded and bad punished? What happens in their religion? Are the bad rewarded or the good punished? Are neither rewarded or punished?

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You're in it for the long
term, not the extreme short term of
of what for many is a confused,
poverty stricken dreary life


So do you mean that no matter what the poverty stricken person may choose he or she has to repeat life over and over again? What if they come back in a worse state? When does it end? Is there fairness or justice?

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where you
better choose correctly or be damned
forever to hell.


Is there a difference here between the rich or the poor? Don't both have to choose correctly? Is there a problem with our actions carrying eternal significance? Shouldn't we experience at some point the ultimate peace and justice we desire in our hearts?

I know you are not a Hindu but these are the types of questions that my Jesuit formation would have me ask. There isn't anything Christian really in the questions they are just taking what you espoused at face value and asking important questions that need to be answered.
April 19th, 2017 at 9:14:35 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
That is why Christianity is obviously built upon historical fact.


Jesus died, that's the only fact you have.
Everything else about his life is speculation,
hence 2500 offshoots of the religion.

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One might ask why not? Does it really not matter to them?


It doesn't matter to Buddhists either, why on
earth would it. You really don't know much
about these other religions, do you.

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When does it end? Is there fairness or justice?


Good grief no, that's why we invent
religions. Those are human concepts, the universe
knows nothing about fairness or justice.
Just look around sometime.

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Is there a problem with our actions carrying eternal significance?


Eternal, they barely have temporary significance.
You're old enough to remember 25 years ago.
Do you dwell a lot on your actions then? You
don't even remember most of them, nobody
does. Your actions have significance in the eternal
moment, that's about it. They soon dwindle away,
to be replaced by others of equal non significance.

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and asking important questions that need to be answered.


But they aren't important at all are they. What
was an important question last week might
be meaningless this week. You're selling a
specific religion, so you're job is to always
be 'closing', as they say in the sales trade.
You're always closing the deal. Like a new
car salesman, you have a set of really important
questions each customer should be asking
himself. But you have lifetime customers
so you have to keep those questions current
and relevant.

It was much easier in the old days when threats
and guilt worked wonders. But today 85% of
Catholics don't even go mass or confession
on a regular basis, your important questions
have lost meaning because people have moved
on.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 19th, 2017 at 11:41:44 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Jesus died, that's the only fact you have.
Everything else about his life is speculation,
hence 2500 offshoots of the religion.


If that was the only fact then there would be no Christianity. Everything else about His life is true hence the 25000000000 followers of the religion.



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It doesn't matter to Buddhists either, why on
earth would it. You really don't know much
about these other religions, do you.


Why should I learn about these other religions if it doesn't even matter to them? Why should it matter to me if they don't seem too excited about it themselves?



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Those are human concepts, the universe
knows nothing about fairness or justice.


So humanity is different than the universe, I agree wholeheartedly. The question is should we just abandon the concepts of fairness and justice just because the universe knows nothing of them or should we follow our God given consciences and strive to add justice and love into our universe?



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Eternal, they barely have temporary significance.
You're old enough to remember 25 years ago.
Do you dwell a lot on your actions then? You
don't even remember most of them, nobody
does.


Every decision I have made has made me the person I am. Every action I take builds on those past actions.



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But they aren't important at all are they. What
was an important question last week might
be meaningless this week.


There are some questions that are and always will be important and our answers to them define our lives.
April 19th, 2017 at 12:00:26 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
If that was the only fact then there would be no Christianity.


But it is the only fact, that's why the
2500 offshoots argue about all the
details of the rest of it. They aren't
facts at all.


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Why should I learn about these other religions if it doesn't even matter to them? Why should it matter to me if they don't seem too excited about it themselves?


And they about yours. The only religion
people are interested in is the one they
were indoctrinated with since they were
born. That's all they see or care about. An
atheist can see them all without emotion
or conflict, look at the advantage that gives
him.

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The question is should we just abandon the concepts of fairness and justice just because the universe knows nothing


No. Just realize they come from us and
not from some god or place outside of
us.

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Every decision I have made has made me the person I am. Every action I take builds on those past actions.


Not sounding much like your thoughts
and actions have the 'eternal consequences'
you speak of. In a roundabout way, it's
true. But mostly our thoughts and actions
reflect and reinforce who we already are,
they don't build on anything. It's not like
building a brick wall that gets taller and taller.
We mostly just run in place from a very young
age.



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There are some questions that are and always will be important and our answers to them define our lives.


What questions, name one. Just one.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
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