The Holy Trinity
May 31st, 2018 at 9:00:16 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
That's because most god people refuse to base it on science. The vast majority of god people believe because they were told to believe, and that's that. Only a tiny fraction arrived there by pursuit and investigation. They believe in god because they were raised to, because their family and friends do, because it's a habit they were taught. In my entire life I have not met one person who arrived at god by seeking the god. Oh, they are out there, wrong as they are, but they are scarce. But there are tons (TONS) of former god people who woke up and are now atheists. They slowly realized there was no evidence for a god, so they carefully weaned away from their religions. Do it, ask people why they believe in god. You might find one in your lifetime that doesn't give the religion answer. None of them arrived their thru science and logic. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 31st, 2018 at 9:11:20 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Anyone who believes and practices their faith in a real way as an adult does not do so just because that is the way they were brought up or told to believe. That is childish to do and childish to think that is what other adults do. Why do you insist on subtly calling everyone stupid who believes in God? It is those who go no further in their faith than what they learned as kids that wake up atheists. It is those who never developed a prayer life or studied the faith as an adult that leave it. You have met many people in your life you practice their faith as adults who chose on their own to do so based on science, logic, experiences, prayer, upbringing, etc. You know me and I have pursued God through science and logic and left atheism because there is no logic, science, or evidence to support it. I know you want to tell yourself that the TONS of people who believe in God are doing so just because that is the way they were taught as kids, but that is not true. The many atheists you know and that I know became atheists not through any search through science or logic but because they never took their faith seriously and drifted away. They find it easier to be an atheist, actually really just agnostic but you don't seem to know the difference. As usual you are wrong and hoisting up your personal opinion and what you want to believe as true, it is not. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 31st, 2018 at 9:26:38 PM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 | FrGamble - did you miss my earlier question:
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May 31st, 2018 at 11:57:50 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18633 |
I thought it was pretty obvious if you grow up in a Mormon community, or Amish, or Jewish, there is a high probability you follow the community faith if it predominates. Same with Hindu. Same with Buddhist. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
June 1st, 2018 at 1:00:50 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
'In a real way'? What kind of condescending crap is that? They believe in god, they got it from childhood, they didn't reach the conclusion thru investigation and decision as an adult. Ask them, I have. Whether they pass your silly 'faith practice' guidelines or not has nothing to do with anything. You want to always nitpik everything to death, to arrive at your god popping from behind a bush by parsing words and by being tricky and slippery. You can't produce him any other way because he doesn't exist. It obviously drives you nuts that you believe something you can't prove. The fact that you believing isn't enough for you, that you'll never be happy until you drag others into the delusion with you, speaks volumes about your Church. For myself, I could not care less that you're Xtion, good for you, I hope your and your secret friend Jesus are blissfully happy together. But for some reason you cannot stand that I and others are atheists, it galls you, it sticks in your craw. Because as long as there are atheists, you might be wrong. There will always be that nagging felling that you've been hoodwinked, that you're just another Jim Jones follower waiting in line for his Kool Aid. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 1st, 2018 at 4:14:03 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
That is what I have been saying. You are making a PERSONAL CHOICE in what you want to believe in. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
June 1st, 2018 at 5:19:34 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Isn't every choice we make personal in some way? Regardless, Yes we make a personal choice in regards to religion but it claims to be universally true. That is what I'm trying to get across is that the reason people have so much trouble with religious faith is that it is personal and at the same time claims to be true for everyone. For someone who thinks there are only two kinds of faith, one universal and another personal, it doesn't fit. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2018 at 6:14:13 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I would agree that this is pretty obvious. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2018 at 6:21:05 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Would you call holding unto to childish teachings being a real adult? I'm not being condescending, you are. You think that adults who practice their faith are doing it just because as a little kid they were told to. Now as a 40 year adult they unquestioning obey like a zombie. Look, I get it that you need to believe that to fit your narrative that no one with a brain would believe in God, but it is just not true and it is condescending crap.
Forgive me if I want to challenge you to think and be consistent and fair with your ideas.
No more so than it does you.
I think you are projecting here. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
June 1st, 2018 at 6:31:48 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
As Vatican II states there are sparks of truth all around us in various religions, stories, myths, etc. It is not surprising that humanity shares similar stories that speak truth to them and are expressed in various ways in different cultures. Some of it is preparation for the truth of the Bible being revealed. There are significant differences of course in the origin story, great flood, virgin birth as presented in the Bible with anything that came before. It may be that these earlier stories are like shadows of the truth to be revealed in the Old Testament and in Christ. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |