The Holy Trinity

June 14th, 2018 at 8:17:49 PM permalink
Evenbob
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I've come to the conclusion that this entire thread can be summed up as follows:

FrGamble: God has always existed
EvenBob/AOS: God has never existed
Wizard: Undecided as to whether or not God has ever existed (but loves a good, intellectual debate)


Wiz believes there is no god, but
he's hedging his bets..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
June 14th, 2018 at 8:22:31 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
Wiz believes there is no god, but
he's hedging his bets..


A bit off-topic, but here is one of my favorite Christian jokes:

Quote: joke
I'm not saying you have to be a Baptist to be saved -- but why take any chances?
Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
June 14th, 2018 at 8:26:42 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob

The universe the BB happened in
is eternal, it and us have always been
here in one form or another.


I'm amazed. Not only do you ignore the caution of believing in something without an evidence you double down and say that the universe is eternal. What would possibly make you say that? There is no evidence anything material is or ever could be eternal?!? It is simply a philosophical and scientific impossibility. Please tell me why in the world you would think that the universe is eternal?

Also what happened before the Big Bang is not just an open question but it is not a scientific question. Any scientist will tell you that for something to be in the purview of science it has to be observable and testable. What happened before the universe came into existence is the question for metaphysics and theology not science.
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June 14th, 2018 at 8:28:28 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Wiz believes there is no god, but
he's hedging his bets..


Does this mean he doesn't believe in God but doesn't say with certainty that God does not exist? If so maybe you should follow his lead.
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June 14th, 2018 at 8:53:02 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
I'm amazed. Not only do you ignore


The universe never came into existence,
it has always existed. The BB happened
inside this universe. And many other
BB's as well. They happen all the time.

The Church does what it always does,
takes a tiny bit of info and draws
erroneous conclusions from it to
fit it's narrative.

No response to my post on Catholic
guilt? I don't blame you, I wouldn't
want to talk about it either.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
June 14th, 2018 at 9:07:25 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
The universe never came into existence,
it has always existed. The BB happened
inside this universe. And many other
BB's as well. They happen all the time.


This sounds crazy.

Quote:
The Church does what it always does,
takes a tiny bit of info and draws
erroneous conclusions from it to
fit it's narrative.


What tiny bit of info do you have to say that BB happens all the time or that the universe is eternal? You take nothing and then draw erroneous conclusions from it to fit your narrative. You create out of nothing and in this regard you have something in common with God.

Quote:
No response to my post on Catholic
guilt? I don't blame you, I wouldn't
want to talk about it either.


I did respond, maybe you didn't see it. I could fill 100 threads with the posts and questions you ignore.
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June 14th, 2018 at 9:40:30 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
I am aware of the misery that leaving the Church does cause with some people. I wish they would come back or at least learn what the Church really teaches.


They KNOW what the Church teaches,
that's the PROBLEM!!!!

You only ever see your side and the
Churches side of everything. You
are incapable of seeing the huge
burden your religions whacko ideas
put on people who take it seriously.

You tell them so many contradictory
things about sex and their bodies
and what marriage should mean and
then you get baffled when they get
confused trying to make their lives
work by living the way you tell them
to. You tell Gay people god loves
them but they can never have Gay
sex because god doesn't approve
of that at all.

So what you do is take the very
essence of their Gayness away from
them, and say, too bad, deal with it.
We love you, we just don't love what
you do and cannot accept it at all.

Do you realize or have the slightest
conception of how screwed up that
is from a psychological perspective?
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
June 15th, 2018 at 7:24:23 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
You
are incapable of seeing the huge
burden your religions whacko ideas
put on people who take it seriously.


Do you know how this sounds to a man who has embraced celibacy, obedience, and poverty? I know well the burden it is take very seriously my religion. What is more I feel the burden others have even more deeply because it is not freely chosen. The spouse struggling through a difficult time in marriage and they don't have the option of a no-fault divorce, it's a burden. The unplanned pregnancy that could mean the loss of a job or the alienation of family and friends and there is not the option of killing the baby, it is a burden. I could go on and on through ministering to those with terminal illness, the temptation to cheat or to steal, etc. No one, least of all me is oblivious to the huge burdens following Christ seriously puts on people. Also no one is more aware of the lasting joy people experience when they follow the Lord in good times and bad. As Jesus says, "Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light." This oxymoron is on purpose. A burden is a burden and a yoke is hard, until you see what that burden accomplished and where that yoke led you.


Quote:
So what you do is take the very
essence of their Gayness away from
them, and say, too bad, deal with it.
We love you, we just don't love what
you do and cannot accept it at all.


You know if I was a gay man I think I would be upset that you have said my essence is wrapped up in having sex. Is that what defines you as a straight man, sex? I think it means loving another person, whether the same gender or not, that is for alk of us our essence. Love's perfect expression is not done only with the genitals. Get your mind out of the gutter and think about what real love is, what is its essence, and how is it most clearly shown.
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June 15th, 2018 at 11:59:49 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Is that what defines you as a straight man, sex?


The first 40 years of my life it
was pretty damned important,
yeah. It is for most men, look it
up.


Quote:
Get your mind out of the gutter


And there we have it in a nutshell,
the Church's real view on sex. The
same as it's always been. Sex is
dirty and filthy and beneath us.
And it's exactly where Catholic
Guilt comes from, and why the Church
is such a destructive force in so
many lives.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
June 15th, 2018 at 12:40:19 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
Sex is
dirty and filthy and beneath us.
And it's exactly where Catholic
Guilt comes from, and why the Church
is such a destructive force in so
many lives.


Those who think that should read the Song of Solomon. Here is just sampling but the whole book it like this:

Quote: Song of Solomon 1: 10-13
Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.
We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.
While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.
A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.
Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber