The Holy Trinity

Quote: Wizard

Those who think that should read the Song of Solomon. :

That's from the Hebrew Bible of the
Jews, it has nothing to do with the
Catholic religion. As FrG has pointed
out many times, the NT makes the
OT obsolete.

Quote: Evenbob

That's from the Hebrew Bible of the
Jews, it has nothing to do with the
Catholic religion. As FrG has pointed
out many times, the NT makes the
OT obsolete.

I'm quite sure Catholics respect the Old Testament, although they may have a different term for it.

Quote: Wizard

I'm quite sure Catholics respect the Old Testament,

Sure they respect it, but they don't
seem to use it much. Every time we
quote from it here to make a point,
FrG says the NT outranks everything
in the OT. The 'new' came to throw
out the 'old'.

Quote: Song of Solomon 1: 10-13

Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.
We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.
While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.
A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

Is it getting warm in here...?

Quote: aceofspades

Is it getting warm in here...?

Spikenard, you can still get it.

Quote: Evenbob

Sure they respect it, but they don't
seem to use it much. Every time we
quote from it here to make a point,
FrG says the NT outranks everything
in the OT. The 'new' came to throw
out the 'old'.

This is a huge topic. Protestants also have a difficult time putting into words the place of the Old Testament and will disagree among each other about it. The conservatives tend to like it more than the liberals, especially the parts like calling for the death penalty for homosexuality. Almost all will agree that the New "outranks" the Old. Still, every bible I've ever seen has both. I've yet to meet anybody who would say you could just rip out the Old Testament pages from a bible because they aren't pertinent any longer.

Wiz, thanks for being a breath of fresh air here and a little sanity. I have NEVER said the New Testament has come to throw out the Old. That is not only heresy but renders the New Testament unknowable. The New Testament fulfills the Old Testament prophecies and Evenbob has somehow distorted that to mean the New makes the Old worthless. Every single Mass and every single prayer I say has passages from the Old Testament. It is beyond essential. I hear the PG-13 Song of Songs all the time at weddings and in my prayers.

Bob, I am having such a difficult time dealing with you lately. I don't think I've ever seen you this bad. Twisting things and putting words in my mouth. Avoiding comments and questions and being so mean. If you don't want to be friendly in our discourse or if you continue to be dishonest I would ask you very politely to stop posting in these threads. I am sure there are many topics we can debate, and dare I say some we might agree on, on this forum. However, you are proving yourself to be just an antogonist here.

Can I point out that you ignored my comments about recognizing the weight of following the Gospel and jumped on a phrase "get your mind out of the gutter" that you took out of context. I was not referring to sex, which I also have said to you many times is a wonderful blessing and a holy and beautiful thing! I was referring to you thinking the essence of a gay man's life (or anyone's life really) and relationship is only about genital activity. I'm sorry that preoccupied you into your 40s but I think now you realize that it is not the most important part of any of your relationships.

Quote: FrGamble

Bob, I am having such a difficult time dealing with you

And I always have a difficult time
dealing with you, so what. Is that
how you live, you only deal with
people who don't challenge you
and think exactly as you do?

I'm sorry if I don't structure my
posts to the exact way you
think they should be structured,
but that's just how discussions
go. You have to tolerate the
idiosyncracies of others.

I thought you always said the OT
was then, and the NT came to
overrule the authority of the
old. I stand corrected, the OT has
just as much authority and importance
as the NT. All the laws in the Torah
are as applicable today as they were
in Jesus time.

Shall we go over them one by one?

Quote: Evenbob

I thought you always said the OT
was then, and the NT came to
overrule the authority of the
old. I stand corrected, the OT has
just as much authority and importance
as the NT.

Thank you for understanding and your quasi apology is accepted.

Quote:

All the laws in the Torah
are as applicable today as they were
in Jesus time.

Shall we go over them one by one?

First of all I think there are around 632 of them. Let's just focus on the 10 commandments that would be easier.

For the record I love it when people challenge each other about their beliefs and way of thinking. What I have a problem with is when people aren't fair in representing the other's position and distort it. It makes me think you aren't listening and don't care about what I am saying.

Quote: FrGamble

What I have a problem with is when people aren't fair in representing the other's position and distort it.

You mean like how you're always
saying how glad you are that I'm
'coming around' to whatever position
you're pushing, when you know dang
well that's as far from the truth as
you can get?

Quit treating me like I'm new here,
we've been talking about this stuff
since 2011, and almost daily since
2014. I can categorically say I've
never spoken this much to another
person in my life. Thousands of
posts, and at least a thousand PM's.
You should be greatly complimented,
or greatly dismayed. Take your pick.