The Holy Trinity

Quote: Wizard

Where does the stem come into it? Or the roots for that matter?

It's a bad analogy, as are all for
the trinity. You can't have a god
being separate entities. The Jews
consider the trinity to be polytheistic,
the worship of multiple deities, and
is heretical to them.

It's all just religious nonsense to
keep ego driven people up at night
fretting over their importance in the
universe. Waste of time.

Quote: Evenbob

Waste of time.

There is big money in it.

Quote: Evenbob

It's a bad analogy, as are all for
the trinity. You can't have a god
being separate entities. The Jews
consider the trinity to be polytheistic,
the worship of multiple deities, and
is heretical to them.

A shamrock is not three separate entities, it is one shamrock with three leaves. No multiple deities. Why is it a bad analogy? Why do you think there are three deities?

Quote: Wizard

Where does the stem come into it? Or the roots for that matter?

Part of the shared nature of divinity that all three leaves share. Or maybe you could look at the stem and roots as the Triune God reaching down to Earth to save us.

Let me asK this. Now -- Is Jesus a separate entity from the "father" form of the trinity? In other words, could the two sit at a coffee bar in Heaven and have a conversation with each other about the price of tea in China?

Quote: Wizard

Let me as this. Now -- Is Jesus a separate entity from the "father" form of the trinity? In other words, could the two sit at a coffee bar in Heaven and have a conversation with each other about the price of tea in China?

Ha, it aounds like how many angels on the head of a pin? But its a good question. Yes the Son and the Father are separate persons or distinct entities. It's like leaf one and leaf two of the shamrock.

Quote: FrGamble

Ha, it aounds like how many angels on the head of a pin? But its a good question. Yes the Son and the Father are separate persons or distinct entities. It's like leaf one and leaf two of the shamrock.

Really?! So can the "Jesus entity" do something that would surprise the "God entity"? Can they disagree? Can one believe the other made a mistake?

Quote: FrGamble

Ha, it aounds like how many angels on the head of a pin? But its a good question. Yes the Son and the Father are separate persons or distinct entities. It's like leaf one and leaf two of the shamrock.

Thanks. This sounds much more like three gods than one god to me. Might it be appropriate to use a comparison of man and woman being one flesh after marriage, from the following which is said at many religious weddings:

Quote: Wedding liturgy

Father, by your power you have made everything out of nothing. In the beginning you created the universe and made mankind in your own likeness. You gave man the constant help of woman so that man and woman should no longer be two, but one flesh, and you teach us that what you have united may never be divided.

Quote: SOOPOO

Really?! So can the "Jesus entity" do something that would surprise the "God entity"? Can they disagree? Can one believe the other made a mistake?

It would be a boring conversation if both parties agreed exactly. Like having a discussion with yourself.

Quote: FrGamble

Yes the Son and the Father are separate persons or distinct entities. .

And this is why the Jews reject
trinity, it's polytheistic. It isn't
that hard to understand where
trinity came from.

At the time of Constantine, they
had to wipe out the pagan
religions if Xtionity was to survive.
So they co-opted pagan rituals
and ideas and holidays to make
pagans more interested in converting.

"Throughout the ancient world, as far back as Babylonia, the worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was common. That influence was also prevalent in Egypt, Greece, and Rome in the centuries before, during, and after Christ. And after the death of the apostles, such pagan beliefs began to invade Christianity."

So the early Church borrowed the concept
to make Xtionity more palatable to the
many heathen religions. And it worked.
As a logical idea it's ridiculous and doesn't
work at all. As a sales tool of mystery and
confusion, it still works like a charm.

Yeah the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God. Remember the 3 leaves of the one shamrock. The leaves wouldn't disagree would they? There are all one God in three persons.

Evenbob, read the link I posted not too long ago to understand the differences between these Pagan or Eastern religions and the Christian concept of the Trinity.