Dubai is doing it again

The thing really working against Dubai is the "heat". Folks aren't in a hurry to go somewhere where it is 110, but kissing in public, or drinking alcohol without a permit can get you arrested.

You can drink in your hotel in Dubai, just
don't get drunk. No casino gambling, lots
of restaurants and shopping. I'm bored
just writing about it.

Quote: Ayecarumba

The thing really working against Dubai is the "heat". Folks aren't in a hurry to go somewhere where it is 110, but kissing in public, or drinking alcohol without a permit can get you arrested.

http://www.dubainight.com/dubai/gq-bar/photos-gq-bar-monday-april-24,3,1009503.html

Like Vegas, action is inside in hottest weather.

Quote: rxwine

Like Vegas, action is inside in hottest weather.

But unlike Vegas, or anywhere, really, their 5-0 is a bit... it's a bit much.









How is your cheapest cruiser a Porche Panamera? How is a Panamera even an option for a police force? What is your budget when one car costs $2.5mm?

Let us not go to Dubai. It is a silly place.

Quote: Face

How is your cheapest cruiser a Porche Panamera?

Nouveau Riche isn't just for people.

A physician I know drives a Jaguar, but he takes a middle class sedan to work so people won't get jealous.

Now Layer 3 TV is advertising technicians that come to your house in an all electric BMW.

Your neighbors will know that you using the most expensive streaming service offered.
https://layer3tv.com/

Quote: Ayecarumba

I think the USA needs to pick up the gauntlet and build the world's tallest building. We've done it before, and we should do it again.

Used to think so, now no longer think the prestige is worth it. Too many hassles, not enough tenants. The major companies now seem to prefer horizontal campuses.

Quote: AZDuffman

Used to think so, now no longer think the prestige is worth it. Too many hassles, not enough tenants. The major companies now seem to prefer horizontal campuses.

In the early 1990's when the corporate campus became the rage, they thought the era of the skyscraper was dead in America. But it comes in stages, just as the 1930's era ended until the 1970's, the last skyscraper opened in Atlanta in 1992, but by 2007 the NY Times building was built exactly the height as the Chrysler Building.

Donald Trump did not show the same grace and respect when he built his Hotel in Chicago. The roof of his hote reached 1,171' feet (just 79' shorter than Empire State Building). Instead of putting a 79' architectural feature and making it the same height as the ESB, he put a much taller one on instead. Since the antenna on the ESB is not an architectural feature it doesn't count in total height


DJT considered putting a taller feature on, and beating out the Willis Tower, but he decided it would hurt sales because after 9-11 nobody wanted to live in the tallest building in the country.

Year Feet
2014 1776 One World Trade Center New York City
1974 1451 Willis Tower Chicago
2014 1396 432 Park Avenue New York City
2009 1389 Trump International Hotel and Tower Chicago
1931 1250 Empire State Building New York City
2009 1200 Bank of America Tower New York City
1973 1136 Aon Center Chicago
1969 1127 John Hancock Center Chicago
2018 1121 Comcast Technology Center* Philadelphia
2017 1099 Wilshire Grand Center* Los Angeles
2018 1079 3 World Trade Center* New York City
1930 1046 Chrysler Building[A] New York City
2007 1046 The New York Times Building New York City
1992 1023 Bank of America Plaza Atlanta
1989 1018 U.S. Bank Tower Los Angeles
1989 1007 Franklin Center Chicago
2014 1005 One57 New York City
1982 1002 JPMorgan Chase Tower Houston
1990 995 Two Prudential Plaza Chicago
1983 992 Wells Fargo Plaza Houston
2013 977 Four World Trade Center New York City
2007 975 Comcast Center Philadelphia
1985 967 Columbia Center Seattle
1990 961 311 South Wacker Drive Chicago
1932 952 70 Pine Street New York City
1991 947 Key Tower Cleveland

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In the early 1990's when the corporate campus became the rage, they thought the era of the skyscraper was dead in America. But it comes in stages, just as the 1930's era ended until the 1970's, the last skyscraper opened in Atlanta in 1992, but by 2007 the NY Times building was built exactly the height as the Chrysler Building.

I have worked in both, and lots of things in between. The campus model is cheaper, allows for more flexibility, and more efficient to cram lower-level workers into larger groups on larger floor plans. At one place in AZ they had about 1,500 employees, mostly call center. They had to hire 50 people a week to keep staffed. Two main divisions, bank and insurance. But this required huge, huge floors. A hundred of more in a group. That is hard to do in a skyscraper. Harder still is to flex it out. On a campus you just change the subdivide. In a tower that might "strand" 5-10 employees from the group.

Then you have logistics. Tallest building near me is 65 floors. If just half of those floors have an independent delivery, that is 30 deliveries a day, mostly trucks. Of course, one HQ would mean less deliveries, but it is still a mess, I have seen it as I have delivered to these buildings as well as worked in them. Yeah, I have led quite the job life.......

Flipside is available land. To find even a quarter-quarter section (40 acres) near any kind of metro area is getting impossible. My place in AZ I think had a half-section (320 acres) or a little less. When I was hired the guy said to build such a campus was getting impossible, this was about 2000 they built it. Since then, most of it was unused and repurposed to a shopping center when I was there and now I hear condos.

IOW, less and less need or desire to even have that many employees in one place. That is a real burden. Same company in their TX HQ location was in the insane position that something like 20% of the town at some point will have worked there! Huge place, too huge. That kind of number brings many problems.

The new campus poster child is Silicon Valley. AAPL, FB, others making wild HQs with too much money to burn. We can already see problems with it all there. Looks and seems cool, until you work there.

Back to the city, the skyscraper seemed to work for small to mid-size tenants. It was a mix lifestyle wise. I liked it as long as I could take my lunch and breaks whenever I wanted, meaning off-peak. Mostly I could. I was very lucky and knew it, most people could not.

My thought is the tall, tall buildings whacked up with office, residential, and retail probably are best reserved for crowded Asian cities.

Is Dubai seismically solid? New York and Chicago have the advantage of solid bedrock to build on, and no real active tectonic faults to worry about, but when you are in a desert full of sand, do you have to bury pilings to keep the building from sinking under its own weight?

I applaud the skyscraper salespeople in Los Angeles. I don't know how they got that through. They're in denial, believing that things are going to be okay when, not if, the "Big One" hits.