How does a god know he/she is all there is?
May 7th, 2017 at 1:30:31 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | What about the sin of prosecution for blasphemy? |
May 7th, 2017 at 2:43:05 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
In other words, god is just about worthless in any practical manner. He can do nothing except shake his finger and point out our flaws. That much is obvious, just look at the suffering in this miserable world. Good thing with have organizations like the Red Cross, depending on god and his shaking finger will get you a bellyful of nothing. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 7th, 2017 at 9:13:26 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Who said anything about wagging a finger, that sounds more like the accuser, aka Satan. I'm talking about a loving God who offers us a moral law to bless our lives and a hug to comfort us when we fail. The suffering in this world is because we don't listen to the God given moral law written in our hearts. Good thing we have a God who forgives us and helps us to do what is right. Depending on a God who just shakes His finger will get you nothing. Depending on a God who loves you, forgives you, and sees how wonderful you are will get you everything. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 7th, 2017 at 10:07:21 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
My grandma used to wag her bony finger at us when we weren't obeying her rules. Maybe she was Satan, who knows. To sum up, god is powerless to help his people on earth, other than having a few morals for us to follow. Have I got that right? All that stuff Jesus said prayer would do, that if you asked it would given, was just bunk added later by some over zealous NT writer. Is that what you're telling us? If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 8th, 2017 at 6:43:18 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
The Steel Curtain is God? Mind blown. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 8th, 2017 at 7:24:49 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
You'd expect a "superior" being to be aware of their limitations and to heed Socrates' Maxim, i.e. "If I am the wisest man in Athens, it is because I alone know that I know nothing." So a god who think themselves omniscient would not be aware of not knowing something. A wise god, then, would look for things they don't know. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 8th, 2017 at 11:59:46 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I think you know the answer to your own question. Have you ever gotten anything right in regards to our discussions on Christianity? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 8th, 2017 at 12:57:47 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I was summing up what you said. God gives us morals and that's about it. The NT claims Jesus promised to give all believers whatever they asked for in prayer, but what he was really selling was an after death insurance policy. Believe in him and be rewarded later. He asks a lot for a completely unverified promise of return. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. Always an unwise business move. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 8th, 2017 at 2:18:37 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | God does give us morality and I think you are completely ignoring what an amazing gift that is. Try to put together an IKEA piece without instructions and that is nothing compared to trying living life without some guidelines and instructions. We are lost without this, but thank God it is given to us. Not only that but God gives us the help we need to live the moral life. In every religion there are ways to ask for and receive forgiveness and some type of sacramental and/or communal prayer or meal that unities us together as a community. Mankind cannot live in isolation we need a community, God provides that. He also answers are deepest prayer, which is not a million bucks or a new car, but what we think it will give us - happiness, peace, and a feeling of being loved. Any prayer you can come up with is really about that and asking for that. Jesus promises to answer that prayer and to give us what we truly seek. By living a good and moral life we find ourselves happy, peaceful, and loved. (N.B. This doesn't mean that life will be easy if we live the right way, we still live in a broken world and sin effects the innocent as well) All this God gives us as well as a promise that the joy, peace, and love we experience in life is just a foretaste of the perfection that awaits us forever in Heaven. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 8th, 2017 at 3:04:03 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
No, morality is an evolving thing, it constantly changes as society changes. The big ones, killing, stealing, lying, never change. But the rest do. Morality is fluid, never written in stone.
Even if that's your deepest prayer, he gets to decide what's best for you? So you admit what Jesus supposedly said about praying and getting what you want is just made up hokum to sell the new religion to the rubes. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |