Goodbye Net Neutrality
May 20th, 2017 at 4:15:02 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18208 |
Sounds so nice, but the people on the pro side have a history of selling you government control for "good" things then it ends up taking away your freedoms. IOW, don't buy what they are selling on face value because they do not have the good intentions of helping the little guy running a small website as their motive. The President is a fink. |
May 20th, 2017 at 4:44:56 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
This is the second time that your argument against net neutrality is whose idea it is / who is backing it. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 20th, 2017 at 5:08:16 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18208 |
And the whatever time the post I am replying to is giving their same reason. A wolf in sheep clothes at the door is still a wolf. The President is a fink. |
May 20th, 2017 at 5:19:37 AM permalink | |
JB Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 10 Posts: 111 |
It's a much bigger can of worms than helping the small website owner. I wouldn't be so dead set against eliminating NN if the ISPs weren't monopolies, but they are. If NN goes away, it's the final nail in the coffin for everyone. The monopoly ISPs will have complete control over the content that their paying customers can and cannot access, and tough cookies for the customer if they don't like it because they have no other choice of ISP. Before I forget, when we were talking earlier about "free market" the term I actually meant / should have said was "free and open internet". My apologies for the confusion, they're different things. Do you want your ISP denying you access to foxnews.com because of their political agenda? If you have Comcast = NBC = MSNBC, this becomes a very real threat without NN. I can't understand why you would support that. Even if you don't have Comcast, the concept of a filtered (censored) internet should be alarming. NN is the equivalent of free speech on the internet. Being against net neutrality is like being against "the only rule is that there are no rules" because you don't like rules. (For the record, I'm not relying on any political sources for my position. I don't do politics and I'm speaking from a purely technical point of view. The heart of the matter is technical in nature and shouldn't even be up for debate any more than "what does 2+2 equal?" should be. Everybody's making it a mountain out of a molehill. Nevertheless, I suspect the decision to irreversibly damage the internet has already been made, and the "we're accepting comments from the public" business from the FCC is just for show.) |
May 20th, 2017 at 5:40:36 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
His reason is discussing the merits of the policy. Your is because you are against the people supporting it. A wolf in sheeps clothing? What is that supposed to mean? What exactly is so bad about the policy of net neutrality? What huge consequences will there be, the wolf at the door, for continuing net neutrality? In other words, why are you against it, other than being opposed to the people who support it? "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 20th, 2017 at 5:46:21 AM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 |
AZ is like that he supports freedom unless the left supports that same freedom then he comes out against take pot. because the left supports that freedom, AZ is against. Its illogical Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
May 20th, 2017 at 6:46:47 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18208 |
No, I have other reasons which I stated. I am saying that if you are not so sure then look at who is supporting it. Same people saying they want a "free and open internet" are the same ones that have said political speech needs to be regulated. I even once heard Pelosi say the 1st Amendment should NOT protect political speech.
It means that the people wanting to regulate more will tell you it is about freedom so the sheep think it is. Same people who wanted the Fairness Doctrine reinstated somehow are all of the sudden for "neutrality?" Which reminds me, anytime there is a name that is meant to sound good pushed by government it probably means the opposite intentions. The President is a fink. |
May 20th, 2017 at 7:03:00 AM permalink | |
JB Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 10 Posts: 111 |
I am sure of my position, but there's nothing political about it. If all the politicians from both sides disappeared tomorrow, I'd be a happy camper. Alas, my position is from the technical, programmer point of view. I'm in favor of simple, lean and mean, efficient code. That's what we have today with NN. Without NN, the code which currently just forwards packets of data to their destination will become encumbered with database queries (slow) and "if - then" policies applied to each packet to determine if it belongs in First Class or Steerage. As a result, these extra checks will slow down even First Class data (compared to what we have today) because it can't know it's First Class until it performs the check. Now multiply this slowdown by umpteen billion packets of data being transferred every second, and you've got yourself a slow internet. |
May 20th, 2017 at 7:26:10 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18208 |
Then why do they not carry FNC now, as they could just eliminate it if they wanted to?
I don't like rules for the sake of rules. Somehow the commercial internet has survived 25ish years without the need for NN. All of the sudden we need it? The President is a fink. |
May 20th, 2017 at 7:35:29 AM permalink | |
JimRockford Member since: Sep 18, 2015 Threads: 2 Posts: 971 |
Would it be as. Ad as China? The internet in China is painfully slow. All that snooping and censoring gums things up. NN rules are only a couple of years old. Why did everything run fine in 2014? The mind hungers for that on which it feeds. |