Long term miracle cures test
May 22nd, 2017 at 1:20:04 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Well, since we have no evidence that the event described in the quote actually happened, no, in this case, ears don't count. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 22nd, 2017 at 2:08:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
If the event happened, Jesus had no skill to reattach an ear, and he certainly didn't do it with magic. He was an illusionist, he did Copperfield tricks, not medical ones. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 22nd, 2017 at 2:27:38 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Jesus cured a man with a withered arm, cured blindness from birth, those who were deaf and mute, cured paralyzed people, and raised people from the dead. However, I know this doesn't move you because there is not some scientific tests and proof for you that it happened. I would suggest you go to visit Lourdes in France. There you will be able to see and examine the detailed medical records for thousands of miraculous cures. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 22nd, 2017 at 2:57:34 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
And I suggest a 24/7 webcam at Lourdes in France (*), plus a team of actual physicians who can perform, with permission from willing patients, before and after medical exams, to back all these claims up. (*) I assume there are several in place already. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 22nd, 2017 at 4:26:43 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
There are actually. I have heard there are doctors there that are specifically tasked with examining miracles that happen there and determining if there are any other causes that could be attributed besides the supernatural. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 22nd, 2017 at 4:58:15 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
1) I believe you've heard so. That doesn't mean it is so. 2) It would be impossible to determine if there are any other causes, given how much we don't know. I'll spare you the comparison to ancient times (yay!), and instead plug one new(ish) line of research. Say you infect 10,000 flies with some disease, one you know hos it affects flies. A large number of tem drop like flies, but a small fraction go on living. Why? And less important, what long-term effects are there? The idea is there exists tolerance to some diseases. Again, why? It's an exciting new field in medicine. The latest strategy against antibiotic-resistant bacterial infections. But it might also lead to new anti-viral and even anti-cancer therapies. 3) You'll never be able to set up a proper double-blind, controlled study. It would be cruel and unethical. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 22nd, 2017 at 5:34:26 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Jesus' disciples also performed similar miracles, so the question is, why does no one do it now, and why is that not the nature of the miracles attributed to those about to become saints? The answer is, of course, that you are citing works of fiction as fact. So, why are none of the modern miracles the curing of whithered arms, or the restoration of missing limbs? Why are modern miracles improbable, but not impossible? I've asked these questions before. Any answer that requires me to take the explaination on faith is both unsatisfactory and unconvincing. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 22nd, 2017 at 5:45:52 PM permalink | |
Ayecarumba Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 89 Posts: 1744 | How about this one, a case of cancer that was miraculously cured. Findings were published in a medical journal. |
May 22nd, 2017 at 5:59:32 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18633 |
Seems to still be some problems with this.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
May 22nd, 2017 at 6:49:05 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | The problem with cancer is you don't know if it was cured by divine intervention or by medicine, unless you want to believe that all cancer is only cured by divine intervention. I mean, you pray to have the cancer cured. If medicine is going to take care of it, do they bother with divine intervention? If they don't intervene, and the cancer is cured, and you did pray, how do you know that they didn't intervene? You might think they did, whether or not they really did. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |