Long term miracle cures test

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May 24th, 2017 at 8:41:24 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: FrGamble
ummm...infinite?


Yes. So we can conclude the universe can't be infinite in size.

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However, if the Big Bang is not the beginning than something else was because the universe is contingent and material and in motion.


So the Big Bang proves the universe was created by "God," but even if it wasn't, a "God" had to create it?

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Just like to point out that the definition of handwavium would be to just say one word in some attempt to magically escape from explaining yourself and supporting your argument.


Handwavium is a term used in fanish discussions of fiction, particularly in visual media. It means a plot hole, insurmountable problem, pesky scientific fact, or any other obstacle in the plot gets resolved by a wave of the hand (like a magician does on stage). That is, there's no logic leading to it, but there it is. If you want, I can explain the use of hadwavium in all Trek whenever they use a transporter.

Ethimologicaly, it's related to unobtainium (an impossible element or substance which is rare, expensive, very much desired, and often can only be fund in only one place).

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Anyway no matter how big a number you can imagine (and that is key) you will still be infinitely far from reaching the infinite.


That's exactly my point. No matter how big a number can be, it's as far from infinity as 1.

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You seem to be trying to just delay the inevitable end to the regress by positing many, many, universes. Go for it! No matter what you imagine you will still find yourself at some point at the absolute beginning, the first cause, aka God.


Let's assume this is so. What proof do you have our universe is the only one that exists and was created by the one and only (three) god(s), rather than one in a vast ocean of very, very many?

Now, here's how you get to infinity: 2^infinity=infinity. infinity-infinity=0. infinity/infinity=1. And infinity/2= infinity.

In math, it's just a number :)

And gratuitously: "Out of time? You can't run out of time. Time is infinite. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This... is wrong tool." Zathras, while trying to fix a Handwavium ("time stabilizer") and educate Susan Ivanova in the nature of time.
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.
May 24th, 2017 at 11:49:12 AM permalink
rxwine
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I'll never begin to accept the explanation that the Universe is created by a supernatural being, until at least we can find at least one supernatural cause even existing anywhere. Supposedly supernatural beings have acted other than creation. Their Kung Foo is weak sauce. Or worse, bogus sauce.
No one has ever proven I am not God.
May 24th, 2017 at 12:10:24 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Look at the intent of racism or eugenics; do you really thing they were meant to uplift the human condition? What possible outcome did those who held such evil ideas hope to achieve that was not wrong?


Racism was originally intended to keep
outsiders from breeding into your clan,
your tribe. The Jews were very good at
this, still are in some parts of the world.
The Japanese are very racist, they don't
want their special kind of people ruined
by interbreeding. Racism is wrong when
it's turned into bigotry and prejudice.

Eugenics was a lofty idea about the science
of improving a human population by controlled
breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable
heritable characteristics. It was well intentioned
but of course was misused and perverted
away from it's original idea.

Even fascism was created to promote harmony
and lack of internal strife within a country. Most
ideas don't have evil intentions, they just evolve
into evil results thru human mismanagement.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
May 24th, 2017 at 12:16:18 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Evenbob
Even fascism was created to promote harmony


Heard similar comments from ISIS believers, about once everyone is under caliphate it's extremely peaceful. Just kill off dissenters. I believe unfortunately even the best indoctrination and brainwashing doesn't work on everyone so it's an ongoing process to keep executing people.
No one has ever proven I am not God.
May 24th, 2017 at 12:41:41 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: rxwine
Heard similar comments from ISIS believers, about once everyone is under caliphate it's extremely peaceful. .


The point is, the concept has no evil
intentions. The people who came up
with it honestly think they're doing
good for their society or country.
They aren't, of course, but they think
they are.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
May 24th, 2017 at 7:31:02 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: rxwine
I'll never begin to accept the explanation that the Universe is created by a supernatural being, until at least we can find at least one supernatural cause even existing anywhere. Supposedly supernatural beings have acted other than creation. Their Kung Foo is weak sauce. Or worse, bogus sauce.


What about life and conciousness? These things we also can't explain on a purely natural level.
May 24th, 2017 at 7:34:40 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
The point is, the concept has no evil
intentions. The people who came up
with it honestly think they're doing
good for their society or country.
They aren't, of course, but they think
they are.


What the hell are you talking about? Treating someone as inferior because they have a different skin color is evil from its inception. No intent or false goal will make it good. The ends do not justify the means.
May 24th, 2017 at 9:03:36 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
No intent or false goal will make it good. The ends do not justify the means.


Not to you, but there are people who think
it's a good thing to control other people.
Quite a few people think that way, in fact.
Your own Church forcefully converted
Jews for a very long time and saw it as
doing their gods work. They even revisited
the converted Jews to make sure they had
not relapsed, and woe unto them if they
had.

To paraphrase you, no intent or false goal
made this good. The ends do not justify
the means.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
May 24th, 2017 at 9:14:21 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: FrGamble
What about life and conciousness? These things we also can't explain on a purely natural level.


Logical fallacy alarm!
We can not explain A. A is real.
We can not explain B.
Therefore B is real.

This does not follow. Does not compute. A lack of explaination for a real A does not make B, which also lacks explaination, true.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
May 24th, 2017 at 9:41:15 PM permalink
Ayecarumba
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Quote: Dalex64
Logical fallacy alarm!
We can not explain A. A is real.
We can not explain B.
Therefore B is real.

This does not follow. Does not compute. A lack of explaination for a real A does not make B, which also lacks explaination, true.

Refer back a few pages to the ready acceptance of alternate explanations from a doctor who never examined the miracle cure patient, and check the alarm
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