Wonder Woman spoiler discussion thread

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June 8th, 2017 at 6:58:25 AM permalink
Nareed
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Simply put, the best live action superhero movie ever.

The best superhero movie ever, though, is Mask of the Phantasm. But I digress....

There are two things, IMO, that make this movie good:

1) The real world, outisde of the invisible island, feels real, not like a comic book setting. Of course Diana is the one fantastical element thronw in (and then Ares at the end).

2) The movie has a story and a plot, which develop and flow towards a climax.

Now, let's talk about the gas.

It was overly dramatized, but basically true to life (or rather to death). The nonsense about substituting hydrogen for sulphur is just nonsense, as is making the thing highly flammable (water has hydrogen in it and it's not flamable). But the rest is rather realistic.

Consider, mustard gas, in the form used in the real WWI had this qualities:

a) gas masks were useless against it. It was absorbed through the skin. If breathed, it was still absorbed through the lining of the lungs and trachea, not infused into the blood stream through the alveoli. And it could easily penetrate cloth and leather, but not rubber. Showing it eat through a gas mask, and shatter the glass eye-pieces, is a melodramatic way of puting it, but it works on the visual level.

b) it was a persistent agent. It settled in the soil, but it didn't percolate downwards, and it dind't degrade. If the soil was disturbed, people nearby were injurd and killed by it.

So the real mustard gas was as deadly, pernicious and gas-mask-proof as the stuff shown in the moive (though maybe not flammable).

If I could change one thing, it would be to have Diana kill Ludendorf earlier. That would have given her time to question her beliefs and her mission. I mean, if killing the god of war doens't stop the war, then maybe these wretched humans, especially the men, fight because they want to, and are not worth her efforts to save them. Give that a few minutes of screen time, and don't let Steve convince her otherwise.

But as the plot carried through, it was fine.

Lastly, perhaps the coming trend in formal wear will be sword accents on the back.
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June 8th, 2017 at 8:12:45 AM permalink
Nareed
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I clicked on quote rather than edit....

I'll be seeing the movie again next weekend.

But to add, the portrayal of trench warfare was quite good, including the ladders, the tracers in the machineguns, and the warning signs. Diana's trek through no-man's land was accurate, too. Pretty much soldiers on both sides shot at anything that popped up from the trenches, be it one soldier or a whole regiment. In real life, though, a single soldier traipsing through the space between opposing lines, would have been cut down quickly.

BTW, notice that Diana smashes the machinegun when she takes over the German trench. That's a nod, I believe, at the sheer hatred of machineguns developed by line soldiers in WWI.

Much has been made that the Germans are once again the villains. In theory the villain was Ares, with Ludendorf and Dr. Maru his unknowing minions. Given the scene where the German generals are discussing how to accept an armistice, which BTW was completely unrealistic in every respect but one (*), I'd say it's more a case where the villains are German.

About the gala, I was reminded of a piece from an older WWI film I caught on TV once. I forget what it was about or who was in it, but the part I saws dealt with the imminent execution of three French soldiers for desertion (or some other war-specific crime). There was a scene where a French general hosts a party much like the one in Wonder Woman.

For a depiction of the horrors of WWI, from the perspective of a soldier, I recommend a very old film from the 20s or 30s called "All Quiet On The Western Front," based on the novel of the same name, written by a German soldier (Erich Maria Remarque, if memory serves; I have read the book). I warn you, though, it's extremely depressing.


(*) the one realistic note was when a general tells Ludendorf "Every hour we delay, thousands of German lives are lost."
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June 8th, 2017 at 9:06:06 AM permalink
Nareed
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Speaking of unrealistic, the Island of Themyscira is 100% fantastical.

Apparently the Amazons have been living there alone for thousands of years, and are all immortal. Also they don't eat.

Consider. We're told Diana was the only girl born there.

We never see them eat, but we also never see cattle, farmland, markets, etc. (not even a pyramid to store grain <w>) They can eat, because we see Diana having some ice cream later on (great scene BTW "you must be very proud." It reminded me of Diana and Flash having coffee onboard a space station in one of the early eps of the Justice League cartoon series in the late 90s).

Now, do they all speak tons of languages, or only Diana? Diana is a god, after all. And how do they learn modern languages? I suppose they all know lot sof languages, because we can asume they spoke in English to Steve.
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June 8th, 2017 at 9:57:29 AM permalink
terapined
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I predict, even a whole week out, Wonder Woman will crush Tom Cruise's The Mummy at the box office
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June 8th, 2017 at 10:40:29 AM permalink
ams288
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Quote: terapined
I predict, even a whole week out, Wonder Woman will crush Tom Cruise's The Mummy at the box office


Yep. Reviews for The Mummy have been absolutely awful.

Wonder Woman has over 90% positive reviews at Rotten Tomatoes.
June 8th, 2017 at 1:33:17 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Wonder Woman passed "Man of Steel" on the first Tuesday after the weekend. That is the sign of a well reviewed movie with good word of mouth. It attracts people beyond the initial weekend. "Man of Steel" got very poor reviews compared to "Wonder Woman".


Wonder Woman
Fri Jun. 2, 2017 $38,247,254
Sat Jun. 3, 2017 $35,253,398
Sun Jun. 4, 2017 $29,750,819
Mon Jun. 5, 2017 $11,757,063
Tue Jun. 6, 2017 $14,342,175

Man of Steel
Thu Jun. 13, 2013 $12,062,124
Fri Jun. 14, 2013 $44,013,367
Sat Jun. 15, 2013 $36,315,318
Sun Jun. 16, 2013 $36,290,677
Mon Jun. 17, 2013 $12,585,005
Tue Jun. 18, 2013 $11,511,127
June 8th, 2017 at 2:07:00 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Chris Pine carries WW, it's as simple as that.
I first saw him in Bottle Shock years ago and
knew he would be a star. The little girl who
plays WW could have been anybody, she
disappears on screen. Robin Wright is far
more memorable.
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June 8th, 2017 at 2:23:30 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Wonder Woman passed "Man of Steel" on the first Tuesday after the weekend.


Speaking of that, the Justice League movie is coming this year, I think.

I wonder if there'll be a Wonder Woman sequel. Box office numbers almost demand one. The thing is, when she made her spectacular entry in the Batman vs Superman movie, neither Bruce nor Kal had any idea who she was. So, what did she do for the last century?
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June 8th, 2017 at 2:36:46 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
Speaking of that, the Justice League movie is coming this year, I think.



Justic League is announced for Thanksgiving

Justice League WB 11/17/17
Untitled DC Film (July 2017) WB 7/27/18
Aquaman WB 12/21/18
Untitled DC Film (April 2019) WB 4/5/19
Untitled DC Film (June 2019) WB 6/14/19
Untitled DC Film (2019) WB 11/1/19
Untitled DC Film (April 2020) WB 4/3/20
Untitled DC Film (2020) WB 7/24/20

Quote: Nareed
I wonder if there'll be a Wonder Woman sequel. Box office numbers almost demand one. The thing is, when she made her spectacular entry in the Batman vs Superman movie, neither Bruce nor Kal had any idea who she was. So, what did she do for the last century?



There is a "DC Extended Universe" to mimic the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" Worldwide (Unadjusted)
1 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice WB $873.3 2016
2 Suicide Squad WB $745.6 2016
3 Man of Steel WB $668.0 2013
4 Wonder Woman WB $254.4 2017 (6 days into release)

There have been 25 movies based on DC comic characters that are outside of the "universe"

Marvel Cinematic Universe Worldwide (Unadjusted)
Rank Title ) Studio Worldwide Year
1 Marvel's The Avengers BV $1,518.8 2012
2 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV $1,405.4 2015
3 Iron Man 3 BV $1,214.8 2013
4 Captain America: Civil War BV $1,153.3 2016
5 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 BV $821.0 2017
6 Guardians of the Galaxy BV $773.3 2014
7 Captain America: The Winter Soldier BV $714.3 2014
8 Doctor Strange BV $677.7 2016
9 Thor: The Dark World BV $644.6 2013
10 Iron Man 2 Par. $623.9 2010
11 Iron Man Par. $585.2 2008
12 Ant-Man BV $519.3 2015
13 Thor Par. $449.3 2011
14 Captain America: The First Avenger Par. $370.6 2011
15 The Incredible Hulk Uni. $263.4 2008

There have been 30 movies based on Marvel comic characters that are outside of the "universe"


The "universe" movies should be able to cross reference one another, have guest appearances, and most importantly not contradict each other.
June 8th, 2017 at 6:06:13 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
Chris Pine carries WW, it's as simple as that.


He was fine. I think he held back on his performance to let Gal Gadot be the star. Unlike the actor who played the role in the TV series, who I thought was trying to upstage Linda Carter.

My pick for best supporting actor is David Thewlis, who played Ares/Sir Patrick. He is even better in Fargo (season 3). Somebody I will start to follow.

BTW, was it you who said he hadn't seen a movie in the theaters since Out of Africa?
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