The Pope retires!

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February 13th, 2013 at 1:45:42 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: FrGamble
I started off this thread by saying that this is only the second time in history the Pope has resigned, but that is not true. A very holy man St. Celestine V resigned the papacy after only a little over five months. He criticized the Cardinals in the 13th century for taking almost three years to elect and new Pope and because of his passionate pleas on behalf of the Church it was decided that he would be a good Pope. They were wrong, he was more interested in being a hermit and had no political concerns, cares, and abilities. He established the process of a conclave to sped up the process of choosing a new Pope, then declared the Pope can resign if he so chooses, and promptly utilized the new rule he put in place to retire back to a life of prayer and solitude. Anyway thought I would clear that up.

Thanks for the two votes to be Pope but let me ask you all, would you really want that job? I am more than happy being a parish priest and it is way more work than I can handle looking after one parish, I can't imagine looking after them all!?!


This is an interesting point. The "most holy" person is not always best for the job. Some priests are great people persons and are good for counseling. Others are great speakers and can pack em in for a Homily. I would like to ask you, Padre, if you have seen many feow priests get dejected when they find out how much "administrative" work there is in the vocation.
The President is a fink.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:48:42 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: AZDuffman
This is an interesting point. The "most holy" person is not always best for the job. Some priests are great people persons and are good for counseling. Others are great speakers and can pack em in for a Homily. I would like to ask you, Padre, if you have seen many feow priests get dejected when they find out how much "administrative" work there is in the vocation.


Oh man do I ever, including myself! I did not become a priest to run a business with human resource problems, budgeting processes, and marketing issues. I realize it is part of the vocation but especially as numbers decline and more and more is asked of priests the "administrative" stuff can be a real drain. All of this other non-priestly work also gets in the way of time you have to consel and pray with parishioners and prepare for homilies, so everything gets effected.

Now at my parish I did recently hire a business manager who can help with the financial and facilities management part of things, but the buck still stops with me and the Catholic mentality and recent tradition is the Pastor has to be in charge of everything. This is a mentality I am trying to break by empowering parishioners to take ownership not only of their faith but their parish, afterall they will be here long after I am reassigned.
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February 13th, 2013 at 7:25:43 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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My brother preaches in small town churches in the Pennsylvania Slate Belt. Most of the people in the town are very old, and they can't afford a pastor anymore. They resort to "pulpit fill" which is preachers who are paid by the sermon. But with 15-20 people showing up on Sunday, there is no way to pay a salary.

Many of the Catholic parishes have closed as well.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:43:16 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin
My brother preaches in small town churches in the Pennsylvania Slate Belt. Most of the people in the town are very old, and they can't afford a pastor anymore. They resort to "pulpit fill" which is preachers who are paid by the sermon. But with 15-20 people showing up on Sunday, there is no way to pay a salary.

Many of the Catholic parishes have closed as well.



When I was a kid our church used to "borrow" a priest from nearby WV. Three masses between 10 and 11:15 plus others earlier and later meant even a three-priest operation was stretched thin. So an "extra" drove up and did one, usually the 11:15 "guitar mass" in the high school gym. My mother always took us to that one, who did not like because a gym did not "feel like church" to me.

I like the business-manager idea. I remember a Protestant Reverend being so happy when his major renovations were done. His wife wanted to cancel Sunday School that week. He said flat out no to that.
The President is a fink.
March 12th, 2013 at 8:54:16 PM permalink
rxwine
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Pick-em-Poper has started.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
March 13th, 2013 at 9:40:08 AM permalink
AcesAndEights
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Quote: rxwine
Pick-em-Poper has started.

Anyone remember this old SNL episode?

Find the popes in the pizza contest!
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March 13th, 2013 at 12:13:09 PM permalink
theodores
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Pope time!

Edit: Argentina. Wow!
March 13th, 2013 at 12:29:06 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: theodores
Edit: Argentina. Wow!


I thought they were supposed to pick a pointiff, not a deity.
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March 13th, 2013 at 1:22:10 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Jorge Bergoglio didn't even have the highest odds among Argentines (let alone Latin Americans)
11/4 Cardinal Peter Turkson Country: Ghana Age: 64 Position: President of the Vatican's Council for Justice and Peace
3/1 Cardinal Angelo Scola Country: Italy Age: 71 Position: Archbishop of Milan
4/1 Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone Country: Italy Age: 78 Position: Secretary of State
6/1 Cardinal Marc Ouellet Country: Canada Age: 64 Position: Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops
12/1 Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco Country: Italy Age: 70 Position: Archbishop of Genoa; President of the Episcopal Conference
12/1 Cardinal Leonardo Sandri Country: Argentina Age: 61 Position: President of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches
March 14th, 2013 at 11:33:23 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Nareed
I thought they were supposed to pick a pointiff, not a deity.


I have no problem with the new guy. Let's see what happens with this troublesome aspect:


Vatican Bank
Quote:
Since the bank’s foundation, it has seen suicide, unexplained death, allegations of money laundering for the Mafia, and seen priests and several of its own directors investigated by US and Italian fraud and organised crime police.


http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/pope-challenge-vatican-bank/20040

Even late as this year the bank is not meeting its obligation with EU over money laundering prevention requirements.

I'd be real hesitant to donate my 10% to unaccountable freewheeling entities. The church has been speedy about granting sainthood by comparison of making its bank accountable. Actually, I'd trust my local casinos with my money more than the Catholic Church, and that's just sad.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
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