Hiring a prostitute for your child

Quote: Evenbob

Sex is NOT the greatest and most intimate
act because it's the result of a bodily function.
Our bodies evolved to have sex on a regular
basis, hundreds if not thousands of times
during our lives. It's no more profound than
eating or sleeping. Ask anybody who's been
married any length of time.

Well said. I really like the part about sex not being the most intimate act.

Laying with someone you love while they are dying comes to mind for me. Way way beyond the intimacy of sex.

And I think FrGamble has been there? To much significance given to the sex act for my belief. We are hard wired to reproduce, it comes naturally. How is it that those without any training what so ever can figure out how to do it?

I am not saying it isn't personal. But love isn't required. Many people don't "fall in love" until well after sex. In Petro's book all couples should live together before getting married.

Quote: petroglyph

Well said. I really like the part about sex not being the most intimate act..

Most god religions are obsessed with sex,
especially the Catholic's. They think if they
convince people sex is sacred and wonderful
nobody will cheat or get divorced. The truth
is, for most people sex is not sacred at all
and never has been. It can be fun and exciting,
but usually it's mundane and repetitive. It's
why you see so many divorced men no remarrying.
They don't women like they did 50 years ago.
Cooking and doing your laundry is a snap now,
who needs the constant nagging just to get
laid once in awhile.

Yawn.

Quote: FrGamble

How can you say such truth and profound thoughts here and the rest of your post is such garbage?

Sacrifice for a child; care for an aging parent? Get with it! You slap the kid silly and you find some plain vanilla nursing home.

Quote: petroglyph

Well said. I really like the part about sex not being the most intimate act.

I would agree sex is not the only intimate act. I like your example of being with something in hospice or just simply sharing life with someone and talking about your hopes and dreams, fears and weakneses. It doesn`t get more intimate than that.

The problem is our society has begun to look at having sex as commonplace to be done for recreation or with strangers. Sex is obviously, by its very nature and power to procreate, meant to be a sign that a man and woman have already reached the heights of intimacy through a myraid of other ways. Now they can completely expose themselves to each other and get closer to each other than any other physical way. To say it is equivelent to passing gas is sick and twisted. It is the cherry on top of the sunday of intimacy.

Quote: FrGamble

I would agree sex is not the only intimate act. I like your example of being with something in hospice or just simply sharing life with someone and talking about your hopes and dreams, fears and weakneses. It doesn`t get more intimate than that.
The problem is our society has begun to look at having sex as commonplace to be done for recreation or with strangers. Sex is obviously, by its very nature and power to procreate, meant to be a sign that a man and woman have already reached the heights of intimacy through a myraid of other ways.

Never heard of a 'one night stand' or 'getting your rocks off'. In the UK a woman might say she 'on heat' whereas in the USA it would be 'in heat' but there is a major difference between animals in estrous and females who've been without for a while or who are about to ovulate and therefore at maximum sexual receptivity.
I posted before about the transition of Graduate Mixers from Singles Bar to Hook Up Smorgasboard. Females consider the investment they've made in getting into graduate school and decide to find someone for sex, not dating or any development of a relationship. Recreaton is indeed put well above relationships.

Too much to back read. Been married 48 years. But is a guy is getting married to get laid, well, hookers are definitely a better option.

Quote: FrGamble

I would agree sex is not the only intimate act.

The very fact that sex can be purchased
from a stranger shows that it's not a
true intimate act at all. You cannot purchase
intimacy, you can't beg borrow or steal it.
It's something that happens between two
people who know each other extremely
well and has nothing to do with sex.

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To say it is equivelent to passing gas is sick and twisted.

Sex is a physical act, like passing gas and
everything else our body does. It's a crude
comparison, but true nonetheless.

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It is the cherry on top of the sunday of intimacy.

It's not even the booby prize. 70% of
married couples stop having sex for
one reason or another. It's boring, they
don't feel like it, it's too much work,
they don't enjoy it anymore, the woman
is tired of it (that's a biggie), whatever the
reason. For it being the 'cherry on top'.
a whole lot of people kick it to the curb
eventually.

Quote: Evenbob

The very fact that sex can be purchased
from a stranger shows that it's not an
true intimate act at all. You cannot purchase
intimacy, you can't beg borrow or steal it.
It's something that happens between two
people who know each other extremely
well and has nothing to do with sex.
.

Damn EB, that is profound. And probably 99% unarguable even.

Although, I quibble that some intimacy can be achieved in a few hours of interacting for the first time. A few moments, or minutes of connection is often why people both want to see each other again, rather than just what happens on an ordinary date, even if next to no physical activity occurred.

(although I would go on to argue that even love is quantifiable to neurons ,chemical reactions, dopamine, memory imprinting, etc.,)

Quote: rxwine

A few moments, or minutes of connection is often why people both want to see each other again,

It's not from the sex, it's because they
connect on other levels. Sex can be the
outcome of intimacy, it's never the
intimacy itself. You can share an intimate
dinner with someone, do we credit the
food with that? Same with sex.

Quote: Evenbob

Sex can be the
outcome of intimacy, it's never the
intimacy itself. You can share an intimate
dinner with someone, do we credit the
food with that? Same with sex.

I agree with this. However, I still think that the nature of sexual intercourse gives it an ability to strengthen intimacy if it is already there in a way no other act or dinner can.