Raised without Gender

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July 27th, 2017 at 10:34:18 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
For as long as I can remember many heterosexual guys have little problem seeing two women getting it on. (Especially if they can be part of it. Or at least their imagination)

That provides a more accepting atmosphere whereas many seem to hold a double standard when it comes to two men.


I had a woman worked for me, and don't ask how it came up even if I could remember, she said she knows of no woman who wanted to see two guys getting it on. She was adamant.
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July 28th, 2017 at 2:12:51 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
... no woman who wanted to see two guys getting it on. She was adamant.


I think in terms of sex the term "no one" is meaningless.

A man can get turned on just by looking at a body part in isolation. That's not as common for women. Probably there are lesbian images for men's enjoyment that go back to the 19th century.


Certainly by the 1940's Gwendoline was very popular



But younger women are much more apt to watch gay porn.
July 28th, 2017 at 5:44:56 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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evidently if women lived long enough, eventually just as many would be viewing the male gay porn as the men in their age group!!

I think actually the numerators are starting to equal the denominators as the latter get to be pretty small. Or something like that
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July 28th, 2017 at 7:38:37 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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I have a niece that married into a family with a girl who decided to change into a male persona as she entered college; hormone treatments and all that. When I met her when she was a younger teenager, she seemed normal enough except physically she was not an attractive girl, too big-boned and a bit overweight. Meeting her later as an older teenager, she did exhibit male personality traits, I think she was well on her way to deciding her gender was misplaced.

It is just natural to wonder if the new way this is approached by the schools etc., however much that was an influence, was something I was totally in support of or not.

Hearing about the transition decision, I ran into the thinking that we as a society do want less suicides with these persons. Naturally I did not want to say or think I did not care about that.

But now that is being brought into question? Searching for that a bit, there seem to be two camps who are sparring with each other.

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=suicide+rate+sex+change&oq=suicides+sex+change&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0i22i30k1l2.555.5013.0.11554.20.13.0.0.0.0.1136.1136.7-1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..19.1.1135.0.FN7Q4rhE7Bo
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July 28th, 2017 at 10:06:48 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: odiousgambit
I have a niece that married into a family with a girl who decided to change into a male persona as she entered college; hormone treatments and all that. When I met her when she was a younger teenager, she seemed normal enough except physically she was not an attractive girl, too big-boned and a bit overweight. Meeting her later as an older teenager, she did exhibit male personality traits, I think she was well on her way to deciding her gender was misplaced.

It is just natural to wonder if the new way this is approached by the schools etc., however much that was an influence, was something I was totally in support of or not.

Hearing about the transition decision, I ran into the thinking that we as a society do want less suicides with these persons. Naturally I did not want to say or think I did not care about that.

But now that is being brought into question? Searching for that a bit, there seem to be two camps who are sparring with each other.

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=suicide+rate+sex+change&oq=suicides+sex+change&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0i22i30k1l2.555.5013.0.11554.20.13.0.0.0.0.1136.1136.7-1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..19.1.1135.0.FN7Q4rhE7Bo


A transformation wouldn't address societies reaction, only personal desires. If society doesn't react well to the idea, it wouldn't matter pre or post what the individual does. I think it still gets into acceptance issue.

In a place where the general acceptance would be low or absent, becoming more visible doesn't automatically improve that situation. Kinda like me wearing a Darwin fish t-shirt to a Creationist gathering.
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July 28th, 2017 at 2:35:19 PM permalink
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This seems like one of those "answers to a question not asked".

Stop f#$%ing with your kids. Simply provide. Stop thinking there's a "right" and a "wrong" and just freaking "do". Sure, my kid's all boy. He's obsessed with fishing, and when he's not doing that he's flopping other kids, playing with Matchbox, or shooting people online. My choice? Not even close. I provided those experiences and that's what he chose. I also sing to him, and not just some Dan Tyminski tune about being done for a murder he didn't commit. I sing Sinatra. Musicals. I'll prance about the house like Julie Andrews belting out whatever the hell I feel like. We've watched "Beauty and the Beast" more than "Cars", and by a damn large margin.

Just quit it. Kids aren't f#$%ed up because they're confused by gender. They get f#$%ed up when you act like their feelings are "wrong".

Course, I'm straight and a man, so I might be expecting change from those $0.02.
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July 28th, 2017 at 5:35:34 PM permalink
Evenbob
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I'll prance about the house like Julie Andrews belting out whatever the hell I feel like.


So, we know where the real problem
lies..
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July 29th, 2017 at 1:43:21 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Course, I'm straight and a man, so I might be expecting change from those $0.02.


You sound like a perfectly sensible father to me that's not afraid to teach show tunes to his son. It seems to me that you don't have to dress your little boy like a cowboy, but this idea of keeping his gender a state secret is a bit much.


When Sasha was born, his parents simply referred to him as ‘the infant’ and kept his sex a secret from all but a few close friends and relatives. His gender has only been revealed because he started school recently.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090169/Sasha-Laxton-Gender-neutral-childs-reaction-mothers-questions-sex.html#ixzz4oFsgxt67
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July 29th, 2017 at 2:46:24 PM permalink
rxwine
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If you focus on what people usually cite as problems created by the parents, not sure this is a big one.

I would cite below: Maybe it fits the first one, but would really have to see the long term results.

No defined boundries/
Excessive discipline.
Cruelty or abuse, physical or mental
Inattention
Over attention
Not enough discipline

What am I missing -- most of that covers what I know about children that grow up with problems due to parenting. I don't think kids need to grow up in a perfect mold of every other kid around.
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