Where will Bitcoin be on 9/4/2018?

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December 11th, 2018 at 12:23:58 PM permalink
Evenbob
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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BC down another $70 today, at $3330, started at $3400.
Hard to find any rally articles, most seem to be talking
gloom. Wait for it to bottom out under $2000, everybody
will cut their losses, then buying will begin again, hoping
for another rally. The naysayers are predicting it's over,
way too many lost a ton of money and they aren't going
back.

My friend invested in cookie jars in the 80's, when they
were hot. Stuck his wife with over 2000 of them in the
basement when he died in 97. She had an auction and
couldn't give most of them away. He paid 10's of
thousands for them. Bitcoin is the modern cookie jar,
same results.. A collectible gone belly up.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 11th, 2018 at 1:23:03 PM permalink
kenarman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Evenbob
BC down another $700 today, at $3330, started at $3400.
Hard to find any rally articles, most seem to be talking
gloom. Wait for it to bottom out under $2000, everybody
will cut their losses, then buying will begin again, hoping
for another rally. The naysayers are predicting it's over,
way too many lost a ton of money and they aren't going
back.

My friend invested in cookie jars in the 80's, when they
were hot. Stuck his wife with over 2000 of them in the
basement when he died in 97. She had an auction and
couldn't give most of them away. He paid 10's of
thousands for them. Bitcoin is the modern cookie jar,
same results.. A collectible gone belly up.


That pesky decimal point tripped you up again EB. World would be simpler without it.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
December 11th, 2018 at 1:53:11 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: kenarman
That pesky decimal point tripped you up again EB. World would be simpler without it.


Too many zeros on my keyboard..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:14:52 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Here come the cheerleaders, those that
have lost a huge pile of money on BC.
They can't give up the dream.

"I do believe Bitcoin is going to be digital gold. I keep telling my guys we’re a surfer getting ourselves in shape for when the next wave comes, and when the wave comes we’d better be the Laird Hamilton of crypto."

He said earlier that they all believed
$6000 was the bottom, but that's
only because they were buying like
crazy. Now that it's in the 3's, they
have no idea what to do. A year ago
it was $20,000..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:45:44 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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17 December 2017 $19,783.06 according to Wikipedia

Even today Bitcoin has a $60 billion market cap at price of less than $3500 per bitcoin.

Sweden envisions there national cryptocurrency to have a market cap of $5-$6 billion, which is comparable to the value of banknotes in circulation in Sweden. In contrast, commercial bank money (based on debt) in Sweden is worth $220-$260 billion.

With more and more businesses refusing to accept banknotes in Sweden, the central bank believes the entire cash infrastructure (including cash registers) will come close to collapse. Digital currency issued by the central bank increase the public's access to central bank money. The central bank cannot collapse, so the money is good even if there is a banking crisis like Sweden had in the early 1990s.
Quote: E-Krona – Perhaps The Most Important Cryptocurrency Of All Time – IOTA Is In Race Last updated Apr 2, 2018

Sweden could be the first country with crypto money. That would take the entire sector to a new level – and change the way money is handled forever. IOTA and Stellar are two well-known names in the race. At this point it is really exciting for crypto investors. Not only because an official cryptocurrency would boost the whole sector. But also because the Riksbank will hardly design the technical infrastructure for the E-Krona itself. Instead, around 40 projects have applied to the central bank. After a first elimination 19 are left!

The German-based Iota Foundation. And IBM, which wants to offer the protocol for the central banks to unlock their crypto currencies on Stelar. If IOTA or Stellar are actually selected as the basis of E-Krona, the much-criticized cryptosector will gain massive legitimacy at a stroke. Of course there is no deadline for the decision. It should take years.

Features of E-Krona
At the same time, of course, it is an opportunity: based on blockchain distributed ledger technology, it is now possible for the central banks to provide individuals with central bank money as well. This opens up completely new options in monetary policy. We are still a few years away from a potential launch, but there is already a first picture. For the development of E-Krona, the Riksbank has turned off ten full-time employees and a budget of the equivalent of approximately 340,000 euros.

According to Riksbank, the E-Krona
  1. Does not replace cash and other payment methods, but supplement them.
  2. ensure access to central bank money for the public.
  3. serve as a means of payment and for value retention, such as cash.
  4. For small sums, you can also allow offline payments.
  5. may even allow anonymous payments.
  6. have a built-in option for paying interest.
  7. and be designed on the basis of a technical solution that allows an expansion of functions.


Cash only
The Riksbank has already invented the paper money, as we know it today. And now you’re working on an E-Krona. The reason for this is not the “threat” of Bitcoin but a problem that involves turning away from cash. The saying “only cash is true”. In our daily lives, we do not even notice, but the money in our accounts is not the same as banknotes and coins.

When the going gets tough, only physical money is considered “legal tender”. The numbers that we send back and forth in digital form are merely arithmetic units that constitute a claim against the commercial bank. In the extreme case of a banking crisis, this money can be irretrievably lost. Therefore comes the need for deposit insurance.

Danger to the financial system?
Riksbank boss Stefan Ingves recognized: “If the cash completely disappears, the public would have only access to private bank money in accounts. But banks still have access to central bank money. ” In “normal times” that was no problem. But in times of crisis, public confidence in the banking system may waver.

From the point of view of the central bank, however, it is unacceptable to lose confidence in the monetary system. Then the central bank would have totally failed in its core task. This is the real reason why the non-cash Sweden is on the way to a true cryptocurrency further than any other country. Not because people want to take away cash, but because crowding out cash can be a real threat to the financial system in the long term.
December 13th, 2018 at 2:53:10 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Bitcoin BTCUSD, -0.04% fell to $3,230.00, down 6.1% since Wednesday at 5 p.m. Eastern Time on the Kraken exchange—its lowest level since Sept. 15, 2017.

It appears bitcoin is now entering a death spiral: If the price continues to drop and the cost of mining does not fall correspondingly (the cost of mining will algorithmically decrease, but not necessarily to same extent as the decline in prices), bitcoin will quickly go to zero.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoin-is-close-to-becoming-worthless-2018-12-03
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 14th, 2018 at 11:49:56 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Monday BC was $3575, today $3175. All the
experts are saying $3000 is here, and then
down hill from there. A few are screaming
buy buy buy, but not many.

Bitcoin Cash Tanks 13 Percent as Major Cryptocurrencies All Fall Hard
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 14th, 2018 at 6:04:31 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Evenbob
Bitcoin Cash Tanks 13 Percent as Major Cryptocurrencies All Fall Hard


Central bank digital currencies (CBDC) using some of the same technology as private cryptocurrencies seem to be proceeding apace. 1EUR = 10.246 SEK

Quote: Swedish Central bank
Cash use continues to decline in Sweden. In future, cash may be so marginalized that it becomes difficult to use as a means of payment. For 350 years, the Riksbank has provided the general public with money but going forwards, the technical development and digitalization of payments will bring the issue of the state’s role to a head. If the marginalization of cash continues a digital krona, an e‐krona, could ensure that the general public still has access to a state-guaranteed means of payment. Alternatively, not to act in the face of current developments and completely leave the payment market to private agents, will ultimately leave the general public entirely dependent on private payment solutions, which may make it more difficult for the Riksbank to promote a safe and efficient payment system.
February 22nd, 2019 at 7:08:40 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Blockchains are getting hacked: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612974/once-hailed-as-unhackable-blockchains-are-now-getting-hacked/
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
February 23rd, 2019 at 8:49:16 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: Evenbob
Monday BC was $3575, today $3175. All the
experts are saying $3000 is here, and then
down hill from there. A few are screaming
buy buy buy, but not many.

Bitcoin Cash Tanks 13 Percent as Major Cryptocurrencies All Fall Hard


Anyone who bought bitcoin at $3175 has made 24% in the two months between when Bob posted this and now. I believe in the general concept that Bitcoin should be worth nearly nothing, but in the real world there is someone who will pay you $3925 for your single Bitcoin today.
Bob, can you name one of "all the experts" so I can know who to ignore in the future?