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Gun Control -- As usual discussed only after a massacre.

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	The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.		2 votes (20%)
	I see you conveniently didn't quote the beginning.		1 vote (10%)
	Why are there so few mass shootings in Canada?		No votes (0%)
	Gun control is holding your weapon properly.		3 votes (30%)
	Remember to focus on the front sight.		No votes (0%)
	All firearms should be banned.		1 vote (10%)
	There is a sensible middle ground in the middle.		7 votes (70%)
	All firearms should be available for anyone to own		1 vote (10%)
	My Glock is due for a cleaning.		No votes (0%)
	If you must shoot, make it a head shot.		No votes (0%)

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October 3rd, 2017 at 1:19:59 PM permalink

Dalex64

Member since: Mar 8, 2014
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Quote: JimRockford
However the purpose of the second amendment was to assure that the general population was armed on par with the army. The founding fathers were wary of the potential threat to liberty of a national standing army. Here is Hamilton on the right to bear arms in Federalist Paper #29

Of course in order to establish that balance now, the citizens would need a few RPGs at the very least to defend against tanks and helicopters.

We now have a strong standing military, which as you pointed out is something that the founding fathers did not want.

For that reason, the need to call for a militia to protect against invasion, insurrection, and rebellion is obsolete.

With the existing arms controls that are in place, the idea that the us citizens could rise up against a military coup or against the government vs the people is laughable.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

October 3rd, 2017 at 1:24:15 PM permalink

Evenbob

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 146
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Quote: JimRockford
See what a deterrent it is? ;.)

What's the first thing Hitler did when
he was elected. He had soldiers knock
on every door in Germany and forcibly
remove every firearm. Pistols and
long guns. When the population was
disarmed, hauling people off to
concentration camps came next. That's
always the point of taking the guns
away.

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

October 3rd, 2017 at 1:37:43 PM permalink
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687	When should we expect to see concentration camps in places such as Great Britain and Canada? "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

October 3rd, 2017 at 1:50:54 PM permalink

Evenbob

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Dalex64
When should we expect to see concentration camps in places such as Great Britain and Canada?

They have long guns in both those
places, lots of them. UK law says:

"Single-shot, bolt-action, Martini-action, lever-action (also called under-lever action) and revolver rifles and carbines are permitted, with certificate, in any calibre. Self-loading (also known as semi-automatic) or pump-action rifles are only permitted in .22 rimfire calibre."
"There is no limit on the number of guns or amount of ammunition that a SGC (shotgun certificate) holder can acquire or possess at one time." And that's England, Scotland and Ireland.

Canada is much the same. Plenty of guns
for self defense.

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

October 3rd, 2017 at 2:05:11 PM permalink
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545	Eventually a majority of Americans will get tired of hearing after each mass killing: "Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die" Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER

October 3rd, 2017 at 5:31:03 PM permalink
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095	Quote: Nareed No one has yet set out to murder anyone with a cigarette, let alone 59 at a time. No one has ever set out to, but they do anyway via second-hand smoke. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber

October 3rd, 2017 at 5:33:40 PM permalink
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095	Why didn't anyone vote for focusing on the front site? Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber

October 3rd, 2017 at 5:58:25 PM permalink

Pacomartin

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 1068
Posts: 12569

Quote: Wizard
According to the New York Times article somebody quoted, there were 8,124 deaths by guns in the US in 2016. Compare that to the 480,000 deaths caused by tobacco (source). That is 59 times as many.

There are almost 2.7 million deaths per year in the USA. Lifestyle deaths are always going to greatly outnumber violent or accidental deaths.


Country		Year	Births		Deaths		Migrants	Natural 	Population Change
UnitedStates	2017	4,066,491	2,681,598	1,257,509	1,384,893	2,642,403
UnitedStates	2030	4,197,818	3,223,838	1,354,946	973,980		2,328,926
UnitedStates	2040	4,273,664	3,786,983	1,425,822	486,681		1,912,503
UnitedStates	2050	4,413,478	4,090,832	1,473,815	322,646		1,796,461
						
Mexico		2017	2,279,719	662,738		-220,497	1,616,981	1,396,483
Mexico		2030	2,109,340	850,179		-317,942	1,259,161	941,220
Mexico		2040	1,908,575	1,054,584	-318,587	853,991		535,404
Mexico		2050	1,692,379	1,300,903	-319,203	391,476		72,272

October 4th, 2017 at 3:33:03 AM permalink

AZDuffman

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 135
Posts: 18209

Quote: Dalex64
When should we expect to see concentration camps in places such as Great Britain and Canada?

We have had them in the USA. I have gambled on them. Also how many Japanese were forcibly relocated in WWII? Both groups were mostly disarmed. Note though that the previously armed Indians held out for many years.

It is rumored Mexico turned down the offer of Germany in WWI to start a second War of Mexican Aggression because they knew how many armed citizens there were here, able to pick off any occupation force.

The President is a fink.

October 4th, 2017 at 4:10:07 AM permalink
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687	The Japanese Americans chose not to rise in insurrection, and if the armed native Americans could hold off the government outclassed by weapons as they were for so long people should be satisfied with owning the sorts of guns you can get in Canada and GB. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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