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October 6th, 2017 at 7:54:34 AM permalink

terapined

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Quote: Pacomartin
India is pretty far down on the list , because most Indians get to the USA via another country (the biggest choices are Dubai, Amsterdam, and London). Mumbai wouldn't make the list because the distance means there are very few nonstops.

I am kind of surprised I don't see more US carriers fly nonstop to Mumbai
Probably the one flight I book the most on my job is UA 48. EWR TO BOM nonstop

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October 6th, 2017 at 10:00:08 AM permalink

Pacomartin

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Quote: terapined
I am kind of surprised I don't see more US carriers fly nonstop to Mumbai
Probably the one flight I book the most on my job is UA 48. EWR TO BOM nonstop

I put some fairly strict limits. That was 39 airports that get at least a million seats per year (outgoing), and 9 airports with at least 3 million seats per year in 2016.

Working that out daily means
1,000,000 yearly -> 2,740 daily
3,000,000 yearly -> 8,219 daily

So even to get to 2740 per day you need at least 7 to 10 flights per day of a fairly big plane. Air India is just starting to put more nonstops to the USA, as it is much cheaper to fly smaller A330s to Amsterdam and on to the USA. Jet Airways (Hindi: जेट एयरवेज, Jet Eyaravej) flies passengers via Amsterdam, but starting next month they get the first of 10 Dreamliners which will allow them to ad some nonstop destinations.

But don't forget they have to service both Mumbai and Delhi.

October 6th, 2017 at 10:08:16 AM permalink

Pacomartin

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Quote: The Wall Street Journal: Nonstop Flights Stop for Fuel, By Susan Carey And Andy Pasztor January 11, 2012

Dozens of Continental Airlines flights to the East Coast from Europe have been forced to make unexpected stops in Canada and elsewhere to take on fuel after running into unusually strong headwinds over the Atlantic Ocean.

The stops, which have caused delays and inconvenience for thousands of passengers in recent weeks, are partly the result of a decision by United Continental Holdings Inc., the world's largest airline, to use...

Apparently those unexpected refueling stops can be a lot more common than I thought. In particular they affect B757s. They are expensive as passengers must be compensated for missed connections, and other expenses.

The plan to use increasing numbers of B737s for Transatlantic crossings may prove to be expensive if there is another season of strong headwinds.

October 6th, 2017 at 10:11:43 AM permalink
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545	Quote: Pacomartin The plan to use increasing numbers of B737s for Transatlantic crossings may prove to be expensive if there is another season of strong headwinds. Good point. AA and Delta will no doubt install gigantic fans all over the East Coast :) Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER

October 6th, 2017 at 12:44:20 PM permalink

Pacomartin

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Here is a graphic from then Continental (now United) illustrating 14 fuel stops over a 7 day period at the beginning of 2012 on routes between 3861 and 3930 miles (all well below the range of the B757 in still air, 4100 miles according to the graphic).
The B737-800 has a range of 3377 miles.
The new B737-8 MAX has a still air range of 4045 miles.

The Norwegian Air Shuttle Boeing 737-800 flight just added from Bergen to Newburgh, NY is 3,444 miles, which was intended for a new MAX but they didn't have one ready.

It looks like an occasional detour may be part of the budget crossing of the Atlantic.

October 6th, 2017 at 1:11:01 PM permalink

Nareed

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Quote: Pacomartin
It looks like an occasional detour may be part of the budget crossing of the Atlantic.

I wonder if some of those flights could simply program a stop at Shannon and take advantage of the pre-clearance facility there.

Though I don't suppose that many international flights, or flights of any kind, land at the great metropolis of Stewart, NY, international arrivals at small airports can be lengthy. I know this first hand having arrived at TOL from LAS several times. Sure, there's a max of 150 passengers, but the immigration and customs area is tiny (two lines each). So it could take longer than an arrival at MEX among many other flights, but with larger facilities.

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October 6th, 2017 at 1:24:32 PM permalink

Pacomartin

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U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has 15 air Preclearance locations in 6 countries: Dublin and Shannon in Ireland; Aruba; Freeport and Nassau in The Bahamas; Bermuda; Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates; and Calgary, Toronto, Edmonton, Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, and Winnipeg in Canada.

Quote: Nareed
I wonder if some of those flights could simply program a stop at Shannon and take advantage of the pre-clearance facility there.

I think that NAS simply planned those flights for a MAX-8, but they simply has to start with a B737-800 until they got their delivery. I doubt they want to make an extra stop on a regular basis.

October 6th, 2017 at 1:25:09 PM permalink
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095	My guess: 1. Miami 2. JFK 3. LAX Edit: Not sure if I'm wrong or I misunderstood the question. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber

October 6th, 2017 at 1:31:46 PM permalink

Pacomartin

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Quote: Wizard
My guess:

1. Miami
2. JFK
3. LAX

Edit: Not sure if I'm wrong or I misunderstood the question.

You gave the correct answer (wrong order for 2016-but order changes every year) to which are the top 3 USA airports for international travel .


TABLE 8. TOP 10 U.S. AIRPORTS, RANKED BY 2016 INTERNATIONAL SCHEDULED ENPLANEMENTS ON 
U.S. CARRIERS AND ON FOREIGN CARRIERS' U.S. FLIGHTS*

Passenger numbers in thousands (000)

2016 Rank	Airport	2016 Enplaned 	2015 Rank/Enplaned 	Pct. Change 2015-2016
1	New York JFK	15,618.2	1	14,778.3	+5.7
2	Los Angeles	11,088.3	3	 9,883.7	+12.2
3	Miami		 9,921.0	2	10,113.4	-1.9
4	San Francisco	 6,021.0	6	 5,442.5	+10.6
https://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/press_releases/bts017_17

I was asking can you guess which are the top 3 FOREIGN airports for travel to/from the USA. The choices in the poll are all foreign airports.

October 6th, 2017 at 1:39:06 PM permalink
Ayecarumba Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 89 Posts: 1744	Is the #1 foreign airport supposed to be a destination in and of itself, or are most travelers just passing through? I don't see a lot of ads for it as a place to go out here in the southwest U.S.

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