Will God Survive Science
October 18th, 2017 at 8:47:10 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
According to what I could find, the Jews were were expelled for aggressive missionary efforts. As usual, wikipedia provides a decent summary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius%27_expulsion_of_Jews_from_Rome
What are you saying that this proves? "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 18th, 2017 at 9:05:25 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | That early Christians, those who knew Christ (Chrestus) had experienced the Resurrection and spread the faith in just a few short years arrived in Rome to their synagogues to preach about the Messiah. It is another source outside the NT speaking of Christ and the amazing spread of Christianity. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 18th, 2017 at 9:21:38 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
The article there says nothing about them 'experiencing the resurrection'. It says they were expelled for aggressively pushing their beliefs onto others. It doesn't say why they were doing it, what motivated them, and certainly doesn't prove, document, or corroborate that anything supernatural occurred. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 18th, 2017 at 9:39:31 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Why do you think these early Christians risked their lives, status, and wealth to aggressively tell people about Jesus? Did they want everyone to follow and form a religion about a dead carpenter who was crucified between two thieves? No, they experienced the Resurrection of Jesus their Savior and would not and could not stop speaking about it. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 18th, 2017 at 9:48:26 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
In that case, there's this temporary eye sore in Paris which will come down in a few weeks. i can let you have tons and tons of iron for less than the price of scrap. Interested?
Yes, you can think whatever the Hell you like about your religion. I couldn't care less.
You can share whatever you want. But you cannot practice your beliefs when the rights of other people are involved. the day you cease opposing the rights of minorities based on your beliefs, I'll believe you're sincere about it. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
October 18th, 2017 at 9:49:32 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Oh, that's an easy one: because they knew eventually their descendants would be able to oppress minorities, distort science, and cut taxes for the rich. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
October 18th, 2017 at 10:54:05 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Why did all the followers of Jim Jones drink the Kool Aid? People are gullible, and if they're also ignorant, you can convince them of almost anything. You're doing what you always do, FrG, you build the credibility of your religion around urban myths and half truths, and then pretend it's actual facts. It just makes you look sillier and sillier. At least Buddhists admit they practice the ideas of their religion and could care less if any actual events ever happened. Christians are the polar opposite. It totally matters that all the facts are correct; virgin birth, miracles, son of god, resurrection. The ideas of your religion always take a back seat to the ridiculous supernatural claims it worships. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 18th, 2017 at 12:17:34 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
I was actually referring to people's right to self identify instead of society forcing it upon them. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
October 18th, 2017 at 1:13:56 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I think it is fair to say that would have been the furthest thought to the early Christians. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 18th, 2017 at 1:31:14 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Everyone's got a theory. Can you show that yours is the only plausible one? The problem with yours is a lack of evidence. It is all in one book, published by the very people whose idea it was that they were trying to promote.
Of course not, that's why the invented all of the supernatural stuff about a normal carpenter philosopher who was crucified between two thieves.
Why did they risk their lives? You have a core group of people trying to start a religion, overthrow the current government, replace it with one of their own. The usual political reasons. As you have observed, religion and government were the same thing, and the only successful governments were backed by religions that people believed in. After this core of people, after the supernatural stories were written down, the people after them actually believed it! So you have group A trying to form a religion+government, group B who believes the religion, and voila, a whole bunch of people willing to die for their beliefs. Now is probably a good time to point out that your disbelief about the motives of a group of people doesn't disprove it. It's the "I can't believe that's true therefore it isn't" fallacy, a.k.a. Argument from incredulity. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |