Will God Survive Science
October 18th, 2017 at 1:31:24 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
From the stridency of the loudest, most obnoxiously Christian politicos, I gather it was the only things Jesus ever talked about. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
October 18th, 2017 at 3:13:16 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
You have it backwards. the indoctrination comes from the links you've quoted.
I don't know what courses on human sexuality and/or gender identity contain. I do know you can tell a child they can choose their gender and their sexuality all day long, and twice on Sunday, for however long you want, and it wouldn't matter at all. Neither sexuality nor gender is a choice, any more than favoring one hand is a choice. You can amputate the left hand of every left-handed person in the world, and not one will become right-handed. You can also repress sexuality and persecute those who stray from pure heterosexuality, and you won't turn a single person straight, either. What is a choice is how you will deal with people who differ from the norm. Will you respect their rights? Will you respect their dignity as a person, indeed as, per your beliefs, having been made in the image of God? or will you fall to fear and hysteria and oppress and persecute them? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
October 18th, 2017 at 5:18:41 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What book are you talking about? The history books? Yes, they all point to the fact that early Christians gave up everything to spread the Good News of Jesus Christ. It is not just the Bible that talks about this but every history book. To determine their motivation you might want to use deduction. What did these early Christians hope to gain by spreading the Gospel? They gave up everything, why? Do you think it plausible that they gave it all up because they were lying and wanted to deceive everyone?
Again you say this so confidently when you know it doesn't make any sense. Why invent supernatural stuff up at all? Why try to start this religion? Why give up everything to do this? Why didn't they ever recant? Why does it still grow?
Christians had no desire to overthrow the current government, where do you get that? Christianity is unique in that it is not tied to a state or a culture it is not Jewish or Gentile, Roman or Greek, it is Catholic, which means universal. That later on governments adopted Christianity is not mean that they were the same thing, at least in the Church's eyes. The early Christians had no desires for power or wealth or prestige. Please remember they were following a poor man who proclaimed the greatest among you must be the slave of all. You are very much mistaken in your understanding of early Christianity. I think I even remember sharing with you in our disdain for how quickly the Roman Empire fell to Christianity and made it popular and powerful to be Christian, in many ways this did damage to the pure message of the Gospel. [edit: sorry, I thought I was responding to Nareed]
No, you have people who love Jesus and want to save souls not form a government or anything like it.
There is a reason any thinking person would be incredulous about everything you are saying above. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 18th, 2017 at 5:25:02 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Done. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
October 18th, 2017 at 6:17:13 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
What does any convert religion hope to gain by preaching their doctrine. Islam, Mormons, Hare Krishna, Scientology, many others, including Christianity. They hope to convert people and grow the religion, simple as that. Never trust a religion that tries to convert you, they lie and distort and twist words to get you into the door. Christianity is the worst of them for using these tactics. Jesus and his 'free' gift, what a lie. There is nothing free about it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 19th, 2017 at 7:43:57 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Do you know about Ambrose, the Bishop of Milan, and his pet emperor Theodosius I, and their war against the remaining Pagans in Rome? How about the American Taliban like Roy Moore and their enablers? And let's not forget the dozens of major "denominations" currently in vogue, with their many subdivisions, which for some reason are no longer called "heresies." There's nothing wrong with holding lofty, unrealizable ideals. they might help you rise anyway, while you pursue them. But not if you think you already meet such ideals. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
October 19th, 2017 at 9:34:49 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
This reminds me of my favorite quote, "Shoot for the moon and you will fall among the stars!" “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 19th, 2017 at 11:04:22 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
It's a shame to see somebody so intelligent waste their life on something as ridiculous as Christianity. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 8th, 2017 at 4:16:56 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Went to a great conference today about faith and science. I was amazed at the list of priests who were significant contributors to science: (spelling is probably wrong for most names I had to write them down quickly and they are in no particular order) Niels Stensen, founder of geology and discovery of sedimentary rock and fossils Marin Mersenne, one of the fathers of acoustical study Christoph Scheiner, discovery of sunspots Giovanni Baptista Riccolalli, discovered Coriolis force, mapped the moon Francesco Grimaldi, first to talk about refraction of light Benedetto Castelli, father of hydraulics Bonaventura Cavalieri, mathematician and advanced calculus Lazzaro Spallonazani, great biologist Julius Newlend, super chemist Rene Just Hauy, founder of crystology Bernhand Bolzano, one of the greatest logicians and mathmaticians Gregor Mendel, Father of genetics Guisppe Piazzi, discovered the first asteroid now the drawf planet Ceres Angelo Secchi, astrophyisics Georges Lemaitre, astrophysics and first proposal of the Big Bang Theory Pretty impressive list and of course this is just the priests who made huge contributions to science and it doesn't include the huge list of faithful believers in God like Newton, Kapler, Boyle, Faraday, Descartes, Pascal, etc. etc. etc.... “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 8th, 2017 at 5:25:08 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
You forgot about the first priest, Jesus, and his contributions to science. Virgin birth, walking on water, turning water to wine, healing the sick, and, of course, the science of raising himself from the dead. Your religion is a superstitious myth from an era that's long gone. Quit trying to bail out the boat, it's a lost cause. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |