Bombardier CS100

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October 15th, 2017 at 10:10:38 AM permalink
kenarman
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Air Canada has both Bombardier and Embraer planes in its fleet through it's regional Jazz subsidiary. I flew VYR to San Diego earlier this year on a Bombardier with a little over 100 seats. I forget the exact model.
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October 15th, 2017 at 12:44:18 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Bombardier "Architect" just debuted

Interior cabin mockup displayed.
October 15th, 2017 at 5:09:13 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
Bombardier "Architect" just debuted

Interior cabin mockup displayed.


Price of the Architect is $72.8 million which exceeds the price of the Gulfstream G650ER $68.68 million.
Range of 7400 nmi matches the Gulfstream G650ER introduced in 2014 with range 7500 nmi.

Bombardier interior


Gulfstream G550 interior


The ultimate long range business jet is the 10,000 + nmi of the ACJ (Airbus Corporate Jet) 350. In typical executive configuration with 25 passengers is matched only by it's spectacular price.
October 16th, 2017 at 12:45:36 PM permalink
Nareed
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That's interesting about LCY.
To be honest, none of my clients ask for LCY.


It has a short runway that can't support side bodies. the only transatlantic flight from/to LCY is BA's banker's shuttle in two of the few existing A318s, in an all-business class configuration.

So there isn't much supply.
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October 16th, 2017 at 6:12:09 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
It has a short runway that can't support wide bodies. the only transatlantic flight from/to LCY is BA's banker's shuttle in two of the few existing A318s, in an all-business class configuration.


BA has retired one of their A318s so now they only have one flight per day with 32 seats.
From John F. Kennedy Intl. (JFK) To London City (LCY) 6:25 pm 6:50 am 7h 25m, Nonstop
From London City (LCY) To John F. Kennedy Intl. (JFK) 9:40 am to 2:05 pm 9h 25m, 1 stop at SNN
October 16th, 2017 at 7:56:13 PM permalink
Nareed
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Back on topic, Airbus and the C Series are engaged to be married:

https://airwaysmag.com/industry/analysis-airbus-acquires-controlling-stake-in-bombardier-cseries/

Boeing is screwed.
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October 17th, 2017 at 1:43:31 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Boeing is screwed.
It is not at all hyperbolic to say that this may be the most impactful commercial aircraft acquisition since the Boeing-McDonnell Douglas merger in 1998.
- AirwaysMag

http://www.aircraft.airbus.com/aircraftfamilies/passengeraircraft/a320family/a319neo/

Needless to say Airbus will convert their 51 orders for the A319neo to CS300s
26 January 2012 Avianca 20
8 November 2011 Frontier Airlines 18
N/A Undisclosed customers 10
N/A Governments; Executive and Private Jets 3

That will make Frontier Airlines the third USA airline to order Bombardier jets as Republic Airways also has 40 CS300s on order.


At this point Boeing probably should abandon plans for the poorly selling MAX-7, MAX9, and MAX-10 variants and just produce the MAX-8 while Boeing returns to 2006 and has their engineers begin work on a new small airplane (NSA) to replace the Boeing 737 family.

Quote: Wikipedia
In 2006, Boeing started considering the replacement of the 737 with a "clean-sheet" design that could follow the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. In June 2010, a decision on this replacement was postponed into 2011.

On December 1, 2010, Boeing's competitor, Airbus, launched the Airbus A320neo family to improve fuel burn and operating efficiency with new engines: the CFM International LEAP and Pratt & Whitney PW1000G. In February 2011, Boeing’s CEO Jim McNerney maintained "We're going to do a new airplane".

The A320neo gathered 667 commitments at the June 2011 Paris Air Show for a 1,029 units backlog since its launch, setting an order record for a new commercial airliner.

On July 20, 2011, American Airlines announced an order for 460 narrowbody jets including 130 A320ceos and 130 A320neos, and intended to order 100 re-engined 737s with CFM LEAPs, pending Boeing confirmation.

The order broke Boeing's monopoly with the airline and forced Boeing into a re-engined 737. As this sale included a Most-Favoured-Customer Clause, the European airframer has to refund any difference to American if it sells to another airline at a lower price, so Airbus can not give a competitive price to competitor United Airlines, leaving it to a Boeing-skewed fleet.
October 17th, 2017 at 4:00:18 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Boeing's net Orders through October 10, 2017 for the B737 Max have been + 297 this year. My guess is you will not see that statistic budge by much through 1 Jan 2018.
That is less than 7 years at current production rate.

Peak years for orders were 2012 and 2014
2011 150
2012 908
2013 708
2014 890
2015 409
2016 540
2017 297
Total 3902

It's difficult to say for certain since so many customers are unidentified, or being bought by airplane leasing companies, but it seems like less than 10% of the B737 MAX orders listed on Boeing's website are going to European airlines.

The primary European orders are for Norwegian, Ryanair, and TUI travel (a British travel group),

Orders Customer Name (Unidentified & Leasing companies)
774 Unidentified Customer(s)
170 GECAS
130 Air Lease Corporation
100 AerCap
90 SMBC Aviation Capital
80 Aviation Capital Group
71 BOC Aviation Limited
50 CALC - China
37 CIT Aerospace LLC
30 China Development Bank Fin.
22 Timaero Ireland Limited
20 ALAFCO
20 Avolon - Ireland
16 Business Jet / VIP Customer(s)
2 ICBC Leasing
1612


Orders Customer Name(Airlines)
201 Lion Air
200 Southwest Airlines
142 SpiceJet
135 United Airlines
110 Norwegian
110 Ryanair
100 American Airlines
100 VietJet Air
76 flydubai
75 Jet Airways
75 Turkish Airlines
70 TUI Travel PLC
69 GOL Airlines
61 Air Canada
61 COPA Airlines
60 Aeromexico
50 China Southern Airlines
50 Garuda Indonesia
50 WestJet
40 Virgin Australia Airlines
37 SilkAir
36 Ruili Airlines
32 Alaska Airlines
32 Monarch Airlines
32 SunExpress Airlines
30 Ethiopian Airlines
30 Korean Air
25 Donghai Airlines
25 Malaysia Airlines
20 Air Europa
20 Oman Air (SAOC)
16 Icelandair
11 Aerolineas Argentinas
10 Eastern Air Lines Group, Inc.
10 JIA
9 Okay Airways Company Limited
8 Air China
8 Arik Air
8 Comair Limited
8 Nok Air
8 Primera Air
8 Travel Service
7 China Eastern
6 Blue Air
6 Enter Air Sp. z o.o.
5 Jetlines
4 Air Niugini
3 Hainan Airlines
1 Mauritania Airlines
2290
October 17th, 2017 at 6:56:05 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Needless to say Airbus will convert their 51 orders for the A319neo to CS300s


It's not that easy, but that's the way to bet.

I wonder how Embraer will do.


Quote:
At this point Boeing probably should abandon plans for the poorly selling MAX-7, MAX9, and MAX-10 variants and just produce the MAX-8 while Boeing returns to 2006 and has their engineers begin work on a new small airplane (NSA) to replace the Boeing 737 family.


LOL!

they should abandon the MAX 7, no question. And they should develop a competitor for the C Series, and move full steam ahead on the 797.

But we all know the 797 will morph into the 737 ULTIMATE 1000, ULTIMATE 2000, AND ULTIMATE 2000ER.

What Boeing may do is acquire or set up a joint venture with Embraer or COMAC.

BTW, for any Atlas Shrugged fans, what Boeing did was akin to Boyle's Fair Share Law to keep Rearden from selling too much Rearden Metal :)
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October 17th, 2017 at 9:32:42 AM permalink
Nareed
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Boeing dumping aside (and it's nice to see comeuppance delivered so swiftly), the reason the C Series and Airbus nuptials is great news, is that the C Series is a good plane, very passenger oriented.

The 3-2 economy configuration renders the proportion of middle seats low (1/5th vs 1/3 in mainline narrow bodies). The larger windows make for a more spacious feel, and give a better view out. The middle seats that do exist are wider than the other seats, compensating for the purgatory position a bit. And the overhead luggage bins are huge for a plane its size.

So it's not only that Boeing was trying to snuff out a potential competitor, or trying to save an inferior product (the MAX 7), but that it was also degrading the passenger experience on board.

BTW, for those who did not read the engagement announcement's analysis on Airways, treaties with the EU forbid the kind of tariff imposed on the CS 100. As Airbus owns a controlling interest in the C Series now (50.1%), that's it. Additionally, Airbus announced plans to add a second assembly line for the C Series in Alabama (it already own an Airbus facility there). But that won't happen until later. The first few dozens will all come from Quebec.
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