Bombardier CS100

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November 4th, 2017 at 10:21:47 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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San Diego county has a population of 3.3 million and 15 years ago they were looking at replacement airports that would rival the cost of the new Mexico city airport Although air traffic just broke 20 million air passengers in 2015, they felt that the single runway was insufficient to handle future growth.
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Yes. Let Delta solve its own problems :)

Supposedly Bombardier bought those CS100s for under $20 million apiece, despite the average list price of $79.5 million on their website. Bombardier dismisses the claim of $20 million. The aircraft supposedly cost $33 million to produce.
http://commercialaircraft.bombardier.com/en/media/list-prices---commercial-aircraft---bombardier.html
Boeing advertises $92.2 million for the MAX-7
http://www.boeing.com/company/about-bca/index.page%23/prices#/prices

The finance costs are so low that no efficiency improvements of the Boeing 180 seat jets can make up for the huge difference in cost.

But look at the runway congestion report prepared for San Diego airport

Unconstrained 2020 Forecast San Diego Airport (prepared in 2003)
22,093,000 - 25,931,000 Total Passengers
250,500 - 294,000 Total Operations
76.8% - 76.8% Load Factor
127.6 - 128.0 Seats per Operation

The total Passenger prediction seems reasonable for 2020
2015 20,081,258
2016 20,725,801
2017-2020 will probably push past 22 million

But the total operations for 2016 is l under 200,000 because the load factor is underestimated, and seats per operation are much higher. Operations are well under the forecast 250K - 294K and may never pass the peak 245.3K from 1995 when the turboprops were still operating.

The regional airlines are gradually moving away from the 19 seat turboprops twenty years ago, to the 50 seat regional jets, and finally are pretty much standardizing on the 76 seat regional jet. But if the airlines begin to adopt much smaller planes, the runway will be in severe congestion again.
November 4th, 2017 at 12:53:46 PM permalink
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. But if the airlines begin to adopt much smaller planes, the runway will be in severe congestion again.
That is of no concern to the airlines since they want to "get theirs" and use congested runways as an excuse to keep other airlines from getting any.
December 1st, 2017 at 12:51:29 PM permalink
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A couple of days ago, a CS 300 visited MEX for a demo to Aeromexico brass.

I found a brief, largely non-informative note in Spanish: http://www.transponder1200.com/aeromexico-podria-interesarse-adquirir-bombardier-c-series/

And one in English: http://www.fliegerfaust.com/bombardier-mexico-2513614861.html

It's worth noting, as the second note states, that Delta has orders for the C Series and owns 49% of Aeromexico.

AM is joined at the hip to Boeing and Embraer, but a stockholder of nearly half the company has a very loud voice.
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December 1st, 2017 at 2:45:20 PM permalink
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A couple of days ago, a CS 300 visited MEX for a demo to Aeromexico brass.

It's worth noting, as the second note states, that Delta has orders for the C Series and owns 49% of Aeromexico.
AM is joined at the hip to Boeing and Embraer, but a stockholder of nearly half the company has a very loud voice.


But, the fleet procurement strategy of Delta and AeroMexico seems diametrically opposite.

That Leeham study that I linked to says pretty clearly that Embraer is the better choice for shorter routes with wide variations in load. The Cseries does much better with longer routes that have high load factors.

Now the mainstay of the Aeroméxico Connect fleet is the Embraer E-190 with 99 seats. Delta Connection has over 300 aircraft in the 69-76 seat category. Delta Connection cannot fly an aircraft with more than 76 seats (Embraer E-175).

It is possible that Aeroméxico Connect might begin flying the Bombardier Cseries.
December 1st, 2017 at 3:20:22 PM permalink
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It is possible that Aeroméxico Connect might begin flying the Bombardier Cseries.


I think it's possible they'll buy them and lease them to Delta.

Slightly less possible, as it was the CS 300, is that AM will buy/lease a few and use them. Plus Bombardier has a couple of plants in Mexico.
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December 13th, 2017 at 3:23:41 AM permalink
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If Aeromexico connect gets a few dozen CS100s they can service this range (from Mexico City). Possibly they could increase international operations from Monterrey Airport. Right now MTY to Central and south America seems to consist of a single route: Copa Airlines to Panama City.

The Dreamliners would be free to increase service to Asia, Europe and the principal airports in South America beyond the range of the CS100.

The Range of the CS100 (110 seats) is not dramatically better than the E190 (99 seats) that Aeromexico Connect currently flies, but it should give better efficiency at the extreme of the flying range.


Right Now AeroMexico Connect only serves 5 destinations outside of Mexico and USA
Dominican Republic Santo Domingo SDQ MDSD Las Américas International Airport
El Salvador San Salvador SAL MSLP Monseñor Óscar Arnulfo Romero International Airport
Guatemala Guatemala City GUA MGGT La Aurora International Airport
Honduras San Pedro Sula SAP MHLM Ramón Villeda Morales International Airport
Nicaragua Managua MGA MNMG Augusto C. Sandino International Airport
January 6th, 2018 at 5:26:59 AM permalink
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That just complements my argument. Sell the 787-8 cheap enough so united (or whoever) forgets they ever knew the 767 even existed.


If AA is the prime driver to restarting production of the 767-300ER, it would seem much easier to give a discount on the smallest Dreamliner.

AA 209 seats; 5980 nm; $201.4 million; 767-300ER
AA 226 seats; 7355 nm; $229.5 milllion; 787-8

UA 214 seats; 767-300ER
UA 219 seats; 787-8

But Boeing is still considering restarting the production line.
January 27th, 2018 at 5:09:12 AM permalink
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"Good news, everyone!" The Trump Tariff is Toast:

https://airwaysmag.com/industry/bombardier-wins-trade-dispute-boeing/
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