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January 9th, 2018 at 2:50:42 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: beachbumbabs

Monica, I objected strenuously to that being brought forward. There was no question it was consensual, initiated, encouraged, and prolonged by her, and she wanted to have intercourse but he refused. She was legally an adult, though very immature. He was weak and selfish and gave in to his impulses. Not really impeachable.


LOL! WOW!

So Bill was "weak" and it was all Monica's fault? Really? The leader of the free world was not strong enough to tell an intern who was acting like a slut to get the hell out of his office and never come back?

Have you ever had any sexual harassment training?

Are you saying that if you worked in a place where the boss was getting oral sex in his office that you would just keep working there ant tell people you don't care because "it's consensual?"

Your post is why I do not take you or any liberal woman who complains about Trump's accusers seriously. Not one bit. Your outrage is selective. And your credibility is reduced to zero.

Bill Clinton was not capable of turning down an intern who was hitting on him, yet Trump is somehow not qualified to be POTUS because of his personality. Thanks! I needed a good laugh this early in the AM.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
January 9th, 2018 at 4:35:34 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Bill perjured himself and was disbarred, that should not be overlooked; he is also complicit with helping her screw up her life, though she was maybe a train wreck waiting to happen ... still.

I had a Bill C. supporter, an acquaintance, tell me it was all BS, that Clinton was just lying because, duh, how do you admit to having sex with an intern .... that he should get a pass, we shouldnt be so Puritan about sex these days.

I told him the problem wasn't having sex but he was doing it in the street and scaring the horses.

Referencing Mrs Patrick Campbell, a British actress's famous comment.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mrs_Patrick_Campbell
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January 9th, 2018 at 5:16:21 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: odiousgambit
Bill perjured himself and was disbarred, that should not be overlooked; he is also complicit with helping her screw up her life, though she was maybe a train wreck waiting to happen ... still.


I think the train wreck had already happened. IIRC she had previously let herself get pregnant and had an abortion. She was a little rich girl, hanging around DC to snag herself a rich and powerful man. Similar to that intern that ended up killed a few years later.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
January 9th, 2018 at 12:05:39 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Not sure who this Haggis is but he claims to be a Scientology critic and that his attackers may be scientologists.
January 9th, 2018 at 12:32:16 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
LOL! WOW!

So Bill was "weak" and it was all Monica's fault? Really? The leader of the free world was not strong enough to tell an intern who was acting like a slut to get the hell out of his office and never come back?

Have you ever had any sexual harassment training?

Are you saying that if you worked in a place where the boss was getting oral sex in his office that you would just keep working there ant tell people you don't care because "it's consensual?"

Your post is why I do not take you or any liberal woman who complains about Trump's accusers seriously. Not one bit. Your outrage is selective. And your credibility is reduced to zero.

Bill Clinton was not capable of turning down an intern who was hitting on him, yet Trump is somehow not qualified to be POTUS because of his personality. Thanks! I needed a good laugh this early in the AM.


No one will take you seriously if you don't know that consent doesn't mean the same as non-consensual grabbing or groping.

What Trump and Clinton have in common is not Lewinsky, but the other accusations against Clinton by other women who are not Monica.
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January 9th, 2018 at 12:42:46 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Fleastiff
Not sure who this Haggis is but he claims to be a Scientology critic and that his attackers may be scientologists.

Maybe he is being targeted by scientology and maybe not. He used to be in scientology.
They used to hold him in high esteem bragging that he won an Oscar for directing Crash
Now that he is out and a scientology critic, Scientology says Crash was way over rated.
The AP did interview all the accusers.
I read the stories
Seems very plausible
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January 9th, 2018 at 12:55:36 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: Fleastiff
Not sure who this Haggis is but he claims to be a Scientology critic and that his attackers may be scientologists.


Well I'm glad he's not a scientologist anymore. I really liked his show Due South from the 1990's.
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January 9th, 2018 at 1:09:20 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: terapined
Maybe he is being targeted by scientology and maybe not. He used to be in scientology.
They used to hold him in high esteem bragging that he won an Oscar for directing Crash
Now that he is out and a scientology critic, Scientology says Crash was way over rated.
The AP did interview all the accusers.
I read the stories
Seems very plausible


I hate to say it, but when I heard about the Haggis accusers my first thought was "this is probably a smear campaign by Scientology."
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January 9th, 2018 at 1:41:50 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
No one will take you seriously if you don't know that consent doesn't mean the same as non-consensual grabbing or groping.


Go look up "Hostile Environment" then we can talk. Any place I worked at, Bill's behavior would get you fired.

The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
January 17th, 2018 at 9:49:15 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Musings on MeToo, TimesUp, etv.

Would anyone do Helen Mirren's first film in today's environment: A middle aged man painting a naked teen age girl and then having sex with her?

Woody Allen is under fire but what about Gaugin? Do we condemn his art because he had a succession of child brides in a culture that allowed it? Would anyone release Manhattan...a middle aged man and a seventeen year old girl?

Rolf Harris is having his murals destroyed, not just covered over but destroyed. He has been stripped of all medals and the Queen's portrait is officially unlocatable.

I never cared for that Sing Along with Mitch show but would anyone even broadcast a show in today's environment that featured 55 year old males and 18 year old females?

Could Lolita be published or filmed in today's climate?

Would anyone publish Braithewaite's The Dirty Dozen when it featured an American Major sleeping with his host family's fourteen year old daughter?

Would Georgey Girl be a hit if it were re-released in today's environment?

Men have been accused of targeting young women but it seems now that women are targeting men's reputations and above all, men's wallets.