Does Religion Make People Moral?
December 7th, 2017 at 11:05:28 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | St. Thomas Aquinas has an interesting take on this. He uses the example of a baker who has plenty of bread but refuses to give some to someone who is starving. He says that if the starving person takes the bread it is not stealing because it is in a sense his and the baker is unjustly denying something from him. As all analogies it breaks down if there are other ways to get bread rather than taking it from this immoral baker, but in a case where this was the only place to get food and the baker had more than enough and the bread was only going to get bad or thrown away than I am sympathetic at least to Aquinas' thought here. So if a pharmacist had a surplus supply of life saving medicine that could or would not be able to be used and a dying child had no other means of obtaining this medicine would it be stealing to take this medicine or would it rather be justice? I don't know, what do y'all think/ “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 7th, 2017 at 11:10:21 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Here is St. Thomas Aquinas' article from the Summa Theologiae:
“It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 7th, 2017 at 11:31:00 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I hold that the children killed by your god were 100% purely innocent of any wrongdoing that merited death. So we've established either that 1) your god isn't always moral, or 2) killing innocent children as a pressure tactic is moral. Which is it? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
December 7th, 2017 at 11:33:11 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I think you should kill all the children in the pharmacist's neighborhood to get him to give this medication away. That's the godly thing to do. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
December 7th, 2017 at 11:36:21 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Sniff sniff, I smell the stink of socialism, which has failed every time it's been tried. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 7th, 2017 at 11:36:21 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | What we've established is that sin kills the innocent as well as the guilty. It is a disaster and the problem isn't God's morality but rather our own and the havoc it does to everyone in society. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 7th, 2017 at 11:38:27 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I wonder what the pharmacist would do if his children were treated in the same way as he is treating the poor children in his neighborhood. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 7th, 2017 at 11:39:41 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
You haven't even established that sin is real, let alone 'does' anything. Sin can't be real, there is no god to offend. It's all silliness personified. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 7th, 2017 at 1:11:34 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
It wasn't sin that killed Egyptian babies. It was your god. If you insist on worshiping this creature, at least admit the crimes he's perpetrated. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
December 7th, 2017 at 1:16:18 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Was it sin that killed the Israelite babies then? Is there no consequence to our evil actions? Would you rather God do nothing to protect the vulnerable, enslaved, and poor? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |