Boeing vs Airbus

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February 9th, 2018 at 5:16:15 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Brazil has had some notable events in ATC I'd sure hate to be arriving on fumes or deviating too much in their airspace.
February 9th, 2018 at 6:48:19 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
I think Boeing is counting on airlines finding quick embark/disembark as more valuable than fuel cost per seat km. But the problem is that they are making a 30 year gamble here. The price of fuel may not stay that low.


The world's active oil supply is bigger than it used to be, but also more expensive to produce. It's also more diversified, so there's less risk of higher prices due to shortages. Betting on a reasonable price for fuel seems sensible at the moment.

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The most recent example of a shorter twin aisle jet that is not selling very well compared to the full size model.


For now it seems a shorter twin aisle jet can work, provided it has a very long range. That explains the 787-8/9.

Boeing seems fond of stepping on their own toes. The 777 was pretty much guaranteed to kill the 747 (at least it didn't do the A380 any good). Now the MAX 10 may kill the 797 in embryo. OF course, they may get lucky and get so few orders for the MAX 10 that the 797 gets a chance at living ;)
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.
February 9th, 2018 at 10:47:53 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
Now the MAX 10 may kill the 797 in embryo. OF course, they may get lucky and get so few orders for the MAX 10 that the 797 gets a chance at living ;)


The Max-7 is a bust, the Max-9 is a bust, and the Max-10 has only 274 definitive orders. That is not a bust, but it is only a few months of production, whereas the A321neo is approaching 2000 definitive orders.

Max-7 3,825 nmi
Max-8 3,515 nmi
Max-9 3,515 nmi
Max-10 3,215 nmi

A321neo 3,500 nmi
A321 LR 4,000 nmi

The Max-10 does not have the range of even the regular A321neo, and fall far short of the Long Range variant. The LR variant is only a few million dollars more. Boeing is hitting the absolute limit of the wing design of the 737


The A33--800 neo is the closest new jet to the B797 (NMA) on the market right now, and sales are horrible. One airline ordered 6 jets

Airbus
A330-800neo 257 3 class seating; 7500 nmi range
A330-900neo 406 3 class seating; 6550 nmi range


A319neo $101.5
A320neo $110.6
A321neo $129.5
A330-800 (neo) $259.9
A330-900 (neo) $296.4

737 MAX 7: $96.0 million
737 MAX 8: $117.1 million
737 MAX 200: $120.2 million
737 MAX 9: $124.1 million
737 MAX 10: $129.9 million (first time offered)
767-300ER: $209.8 million
787-8: $239.0 million
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