Stockton UBI experiment

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January 23rd, 2018 at 12:59:38 PM permalink
rxwine
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Starting this year, an experimental program called the Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration (SEED) will pay $500 a month to a few hundred of the city’s low-income residents, no strings attached.

The idea behind universal basic income, or UBI, is to provide a degree of economic security for the most vulnerable people in a community. The goal is to counteract the destabilizing forces of globalization and technological innovation that has lead to job loss and wage stagnation for countless workers, according to CNBC.



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It’s no accident that much of the support for UBI comes from Silicon Valley, where the potential for mass unemployment is starker than most other places in the U.S. Major companies there are in neck-to-neck competition to create labor-saving technologies — such as self-driving cars — that will inevitably replace greater numbers of humans with automation and robots.

Stockton is a town already facing these problems — the city has been plagued by a lack of job opportunities, low wages and high housing prices as Silicon Valley exploded around it, replacing once attainable middle-class security with a job market that requires highly skilled workers and relies heavily on automation, according to KQED News


No one is saying this will work, but if big tech companies are seeing this problem already happening, somebody has to start trying something.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/this-city-will-give-poorest-dollar500-a-month-no-strings-attached/ar-AAv4WVb?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz
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January 23rd, 2018 at 1:14:08 PM permalink
Nareed
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No one is saying this will work, but if big tech companies are seeing this problem already happening, somebody has to start trying something.


Many big tech companies are notorious for underpaying or even outright scamming their employees (calling them "independent contractors" changes nothing). This is so also of big companies in general.

So perhaps they are trying to outsource much of their low-skilled and unskilled labor to the government.


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edit - somehow Stockholm got in the title : | --


Big tech company level of competence (autocorrect, spellcheck)
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January 23rd, 2018 at 8:55:04 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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NPR did a soundbite on employment. Plenty of work, just no money and always a 'temp' or some category that means no job security.

The impetus for a flat minimum is often that if you replace all the social workers and all the paperwork and grants you actually save money so rather than make someone jump thru hoops just give them their checks.

A lot of places are seeing gentrification, yuppies, a few high wage employers but marginal employees have to flee further out for affordable housing which destabilizes school systems and the general workforce.
October 13th, 2018 at 8:48:50 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Anti capitalist nyc school declares ubi an enslaving infusion of government money that will only feed uber's coffers as uber bleeds suppliers, drivers and riders
and cash strapped ubi receivers merely continue to feed the money to uber and other digital companies
October 13th, 2018 at 8:52:27 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Recent major warehouse used robots to replace 90 percent of its workforce, so some of this stuff may be serious.
October 14th, 2018 at 5:12:24 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Recent major warehouse used robots to replace 90 percent of its workforce, so some of this stuff may be serious.


Warehouse and factory automation has been going on for generations. Heard it all before, yet at this moment the biggest problem is getting people OFF assistance and to a job.
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December 23rd, 2018 at 10:33:17 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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basic income trial is ending in Finland but small pilot trial is starting in Germany.
December 28th, 2018 at 2:22:44 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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the major fear is a bunch of well-off people freeloading but in reality its the paper shuffling social workers who are the leeches.
December 28th, 2018 at 8:07:45 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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The concept of Universal Basic Income and Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) seems linked in most people's mind.

The policy paper from Britain
MAKING MONEY FROM MAKING MONEY: SEIGNIORAGE IN THE MODERN ECONOMY constructs a simple historical counterfactual.

They assume that during the 1998–2016 period, 30% of the money supply each year was held in the form of CBDC rather than commercial bank sight deposits. The phrase "sight deposits" seems to be a British term for "on demand accounts" that can be pulled with no notice or loss of interest.

They estimate that government, would have saved a total of £182 billion in interest payments over the time period. At the same time, commercial bank seigniorage profits would have fallen by £141 billion. Sweden is mindful of threatening their commercial banks and they are predicting a much smaller use for their CBDC that should be issued next year.

If CBDC were developed, it might be easier to disperse a UBI
March 4th, 2021 at 9:17:19 AM permalink
rxwine
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Results are in.

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Residents of Stockton, Calif., who received $500 a month from a first-of-its-kind guaranteed-income program were more likely to find full-time jobs, be happy and stay healthy, according to a year-long study published Wednesday.

Supporters of universal income programs — which provide regular, unconditional payments from the government to people — say the findings should dispel common criticisms of the idea, such as that money with no strings attached disincentivizes people to work or encourages them to spend it on drugs and alcohol.

Recipients of the monthly payments were twice as likely to gain full-time employment than others, according to data analysis by a pair of independent researchers, Stacia West of the University of Tennessee at Knoxville and Amy Castro Baker of the University of Pennsylvania. Most of the money distributed was spent on food or other essentials. Tobacco or alcohol made up less than 1 percent of tracked purchases.
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