Lady Amelia Windsor (age 22)

Ah, I must confess I've never read Alice in Wonderland. At first I thought that second line was "Christopher Robin went down on Alice."

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At first I thought that second line was "Christopher Robin went down on Alice."

I might read that one, but the movie would probably be better.

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Ah, I must confess I've never read Alice in Wonderland. At first I thought that second line was "Christopher Robin went down on Alice."

It isn't in Alice in Wonderland. It is a Christopher Robin poem, a character from the Winnie the Pooh stories, who was named after the author's son.

Though the events in Alice in Wonderland make the talking animals in Winnie the Pooh seem completely reasonable...

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One thing I don't get is why does the British royal family get so much attention, while most countries in Europe have their own royal family, that you never hear about.

Plus, they get attention pretty far down the line. Lord Freddie (ranked #46 of 56 Windsors) is almost at the bottom but he married Sophie Winkleman (who gues starred on Two and a Half Men.


(1) Charles, Prince of Wales (b. 1948) B D W
(2) Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1982) B D W
(3) Prince George of Cambridge (b. 2013) B D W
(4) Princess Charlotte of Cambridge (b. 2015) B D W
(5) Prince Henry of Wales (Prince Harry) (b. 1984) B D W
(6) Prince Andrew, Duke of York (b. 1960) B D W
(7) Princess Beatrice of York (b. 1988) B D W
(8) Princess Eugenie of York (b. 1990) B D W
(9) Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (b. 1964) B D W
(10) James, Viscount Severn (b. 2007) B D W
(11) Lady Louise Windsor (b. 2003) B D W
(12) Anne, Princess Royal (b. 1950) B D W
(13) Peter Phillips (b. 1977) B D W
(14) Savannah Phillips (b. 2010) B D W
(15) Isla Phillips (b. 2012) B D W
(16) Zara Tindall (née Phillips; b. 1981) B D W
(17) Mia Tindall (b. 2014) W
Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon (1930–2002) 1952
(18) David Armstrong-Jones, 2nd Earl of Snowdon (b. 1961) D W
(19) Charles Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley (b. 1999) D W
(20) Lady Margarita Armstrong-Jones (b. 2002) D W
(21) Lady Sarah Chatto (née Armstrong-Jones; b. 1964) D W
(22) Samuel Chatto (b. 1996) D W
(23) Arthur Chatto (b. 1999) D W
Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester (1900–1974) 1952
(24) Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1944) D W
(25) Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster (b. 1974) D W
(26) Xan Windsor, Lord Culloden (b. 2007) D W
(27) Lady Cosima Windsor (b. 2010) D W
(28) Lady Davina Lewis (née Windsor; b. 1977) D W
(29) Senna Lewis (b. 2010) D W
(30) Tāne Lewis (b. 2012) W
(31) Lady Rose Gilman (née Windsor; b. 1980) D W
(32) Lyla Gilman (b. 2010) D W
(33) Rufus Gilman (b. 2012) W
Prince George, Duke of Kent (1902–1942)
(34) Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (b. 1935) D W
(35) George Windsor, Earl of St Andrews (b. 1962) MC / D W
Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick (b. 1988) XC / D W
Lady Marina Charlotte Windsor (b. 1992) XC / W[n 2]
(36) Lady Amelia Windsor (b. 1995) D W
Lord Nicholas Windsor (b. 1970) XC / D W
(37) Albert Windsor (b. 2007) D W[n 3]
(38) Leopold Windsor (b. 2009) D W
(39) Louis Windsor (b. 2014) D W
(40) Lady Helen Taylor (née Windsor; b. 1964) D W
(41) Columbus Taylor (b. 1994) D W
(42) Cassius Taylor (b. 1996) D W
(43) Eloise Taylor (b. 2003) D W
(44) Estella Taylor (b. 2004) D W
(45) Prince Michael of Kent (b. 1942) MC / W
(46) Lord Frederick Windsor (b. 1979) W <================================
(47) Maud Windsor (b. 2013) W
(48) Isabella Windsor (b. 2016)
(49) Lady Gabriella Windsor (b. 1981) W
(50) Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy (b. 1936) W
(51) James Ogilvy (b. 1964) W
(52) Alexander Ogilvy (b. 1996) W
(53) Flora Ogilvy (b. 1994) W
(54) Marina Ogilvy (b. 1966) W
(55) Christian Mowatt (b. 1993) W
(56) Zenouska Mowatt (b. 1990) W

As long as we're on the topic, I thought King Edward had to abdicate the throne to marry an American. Given that Price Harry is engaged to an American, won't he lose his ranking, which I assume is 6th? Or is only an issue for the monarch itself? It seems a false ranking if you don't qualify for the job.

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As long as we're on the topic, I thought King Edward had to abdicate the throne to marry an American.

That reason given in 1937 was actually just a convenient excuse.Prince Edward never wanted to be monarch, and a lot of people didn't want him to be monarch either. His engagement to Wallis just provided a romantic reason for his abdication. Further down on the list there are actual Americans (born in the USA).

Prince George was born on July 22, 2013. They wanted to change the law to allow the child to become monarch even if it was a girl, and subsequent siblings were boys, but at the same time they removed two exemptions that were considered particularly archaic.

The rule that male siblings ranked ahead of female sibling was repealed going forward. But it was not retroactive. Princess Anne is the second child, but she ranks below her brothers and their offspring.

You were excluded for the following reasons:
(1) your parents were not legally married when you were born. In some countries like Monaco under their old law, your parents could legally wed afterwards and you could become legitimate, but in Britain it doesn't work that way. Monaco changed the law because there were some bast@ard children and they didn't want a deathbed marriage.
(2) you became Catholic
(3) you married a Catholic (this part was repealed in 2013). There never was any comments about any other religion as the law was passed in 1701 and it didn't occur to anyone that a future monarch might marry a Buddhist or a Muslim.
(4) you are the child of a marriage not approved by the monarch. The marriage might be legitimate legally, but the monarch had to approve in writing. (this part was repealed in 2013)

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One thing I don't get is why does the British royal family get so much attention, while most countries in Europe have their own royal family, that you never hear about.

I have to think it's in large part because we are of Great Britain. From Shakespeare and Dickens to Pink Floyd, Monty Python and Downton Abbey American and British culture are and have always been intertwined more than we admit.

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I have to think it's in large part because we are of Great Britain. From Shakespeare and Dickens to Pink Floyd, Monty Python and Downton Abbey American and British culture are and have always been intertwined more than we admit.

I think the Wizard's observation is not just the US, but the worldwide fascination with the British monarchy, even though the Danish monarchy is 100 years older.



The Prince Regnant of Liechtenstein is far wealthier than the British monarch, as are the Arab sheiks


The state expenditures on the Japanese royal family far exceed that of Britain's.


They are one of the few heads of state who do not have their own plane (just a helicopter on a 10 year lease).

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As long as we're on the topic, I thought King Edward had to abdicate the throne to marry an American

Edward was an incompetent boob who
was terrified of being king because he
knew he wasn't very bright. The woman
was just his excuse to get out of it.

He spent the rest of his life with her
on the cocktail party circuit. They were
invited to every posh party in the EU,
just because they were royalty. Once
there they were avoided like the plague
because they were the most boring,
full of themselves boors on the planet.

Wallis Simpson was quite a bit more scandalous than just being an American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallis_Simpson

Another reason given was that she was divorced with a living ex-husband. But in modern times, the Church of England is past that now also.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/27/prince-harry-marry-divorced-american-and-church-fine/899944001/