Women Unhated

April 27th, 2018 at 11:59:03 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Well, that's the answer if you are looking for it.

Plenty of businesses go out of business even when they put in special effort to sell a product to customer. A casino can't assault a customer because he or she has only been taking all the free offers. They can do other things, but assault isn't one of them they can do legally. They can't force him to gamble to make up for all the free taking.


You still are not getting the point. It is not about what "should" happen. It is about what *will* happen sooner or later.
The President is a fink.
April 27th, 2018 at 12:07:56 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
You still are not getting the point. It is not about what "should" happen. It is about what *will* happen sooner or later.


Are you saying something like this:

If I leave the keys in my car, I should eventually expect my car to stolen.

True. I agree with that.

Will they still put the thief in jail?

True.

Both are true.

There was police show where they put a bicycle sticking out of the trunk of a car. The bike costs enough that it would be a felony if someone pulled it out of the trunk and rode off. Do you think they prosecuted all the perps who did it?

Yup.
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April 27th, 2018 at 12:10:50 PM permalink
rxwine
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Bait cars are the same premise, in fact.
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April 27th, 2018 at 12:28:18 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: rxwine
Bait cars are the same premise, in fact.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
April 27th, 2018 at 12:33:20 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Are you saying something like this:

If I leave the keys in my car, I should eventually expect my car to stolen.

True. I agree with that.

Will they still put the thief in jail?

True.


But the insurance company may very well not pay. And it will probably be very hard to catch the thief, you will be out a car and it will be greatly you at fault.


Quote:

There was police show where they put a bicycle sticking out of the trunk of a car. The bike costs enough that it would be a felony if someone pulled it out of the trunk and rode off. Do you think they prosecuted all the perps who did it?

Yup.


An interesting example. Because goof attorneys very often get the perp off on grounds of entrapment in these bait cases. Which is actually a great parallel example. The cops put the "bait" of whatever kind out there, knowing what will happen. They are not surprised when it happens. This is what I (and EB in some cases) are saying. Put the "bait" out there for a guy, do not be upset when he acts on it. And do not expect a slam-dunk conviction, same kind of "entrapment."

Seriously, please understand the point. All the feminist talk and support in the world will not unring the bell if a woman engages in risky behavior. 9 in 10 people can chime in and say, "the guy was wrong," but that will help nothing. The 1 in 10 brave enough to say, "what did you expect?!" might get someone else thinking before she tries the same thing.
The President is a fink.
April 27th, 2018 at 12:36:11 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: kenarman
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin


If you make yourself a wolf, guess what happened? Wolves were shot to eliminate them from the landscape in many areas.
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April 27th, 2018 at 12:37:59 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: Evenbob
Smart men, decent men, will honor a 'no'
right up till the last minute. The point is,
there are lots of men who are NOT decent
and honorable and if they feel a woman
has led them on, will do the deed no matter
what she says.

It's a dangerous game that more than one
woman has played with me. And it was always
to make another man in her life jealous. I'm
a good guy so I always honor when she says
no. That's why she played me, they knew I
would do that. But some who play misjudge
the man, and pay the consequences for
misjudgement.
That is me to, exactly.

"more than one
woman has played with me. And it was always
to make another man in her life jealous." I have had that happen, and it po'd me big time. I may have even muttered a few cuss words, but I stopped advancing, and left.

But the ones that do it intentionally, to make their boyfriends jealous are the worst.

And then, there are the ones that do it for sport, to screw over another woman.
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
April 27th, 2018 at 1:05:21 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: rxwine
If you make yourself a wolf, guess what happened? Wolves were shot to eliminate them from the landscape in many areas.


Not anymore we are reintroducing them to many areas.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
April 27th, 2018 at 1:11:43 PM permalink
Face
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Quote: beachbumbabs
I didn't know they had little boy-clubs until EB started talking Leykis101 and AZD started talking about MGTOW. Still just thought it was viral nonsense, but it's ORGANIZED brainwashing and mayhem, if that article is close to correct.

I wonder if they participate in that subreddit, or the Facebook groups the article waa talking about. Sure sounds like chapter and verse.


First off, I have a little boy and, once upon a time, was a little boy myself. Pleased to be not including us with these social lepers =p

Second, some defense is in order, methinks. MGTOW, in its present state, is not the MGTOW of old. When I saw it lo these many, sure, there was some misogyny present, but of the level so as to not incite. There was jilted love, those wronged in court, sure. But there was also a pretty strong vein of dudes who were just over it and wanted to get by. Plenty of talks on how to manage solo, how to do finances, even how to do your daughter's hair. There were anti-woman murmurings, sure, but, from my impression, that was not the goal nor did it rate in prominence.

The Incels got banned for inciting and encouraging violence, and upon their ban, these POS began infiltrating other men-centric subs, such as The Red Pill (or blue, I can never remember), Men's Rights, and MGTOW. I know I saw flags upon AZD's mention of MGTOW, but involvement in such a thing, because of the history, does not necessarily imply one follows the hateful vein present.

That being said... thanks all for the input while I was at work. I start every day at 0600 at DT/WoV as I find reading engages my brain in a way that is superior where waking up is concerned. And having this thread be my breakfast, I've spent the day positively roiling. Say true, I would've found Babs banning to be easy, and would have happily and with head held high followed her right off the cliff. There is a goodly chunk of ideas and expression ITT that can f#$% right off, and permanently. So let's get to those brass tacks...

In all of AZD's postings ITT, I find much that isn't s#$%. His comments about "playing with fire" are spot on. There are entitled f#$%wits who think just as he stated, that there is an expectation or an owing based on actions or circumstance. I'm not saying it's right; I've no problem saying it's undeniably, 100% wrong, but I do 100% know this mindset exists and should be considered. I'll also join him in his misanthropy and a section of his misogyny in that there are women, an extreme minority but who do exist, that play sexual games. Sometimes it's simply for attention, and these women need guidance. Sometimes it's expressly for pain; those fringe feminists that are the flip side to the Incel coin, wishing harm upon menfolk and reveling in it when it happens. I'll join the hate party on these POS, no problem. These women need a stiff kick in the teeth, just like their Incel brethren. But though I can see far, and allow much for the difficulty in written word, there is one part that I won't stand for...

Quote: AZDuffman
I am not condoning rape at all.


Quote: AZD
Then you should not have gone to his room and progressed things as far as you did. Had this been a "date rape" case and I was on the jury I would find "not guilty."


You can not state you do not condone rape, yet in the same day state you would actively enable it. Perhaps, like your false knowledge that "all pedophilia is homosexuality", you simply do not know the definition of the words in play. Or perhaps, as I am known to do, you speak with the worst case scenario in mind (like thinking of the sociopathic, malicious cockteasers who are only out for pain), without thinking of the far more oft occurring, typical interaction between non-psychotic adults, and your anger is causing some off the cuff comments. I do not know. But it seems prudent to allow for clarification.

Alls I can say is I've been on both ends, both the denier and denyee. A whole 4 times that I can remember. Everything from clothed and petting to fully nude and hammered to the moon in a rented hotel. The minute hesitation, even a sensed uncomfortability is sensed, that game is f#$%ing over. Period.

I get the animus over women who use rape to cover their own regret. Those women are trash that deserve the jail sentences they get. But this... this ain't that.

It's hard for me to think of a woman in my life that hasn't faced this. Drugged and raped by a suitor. Drugged and attempted rape by a friend of a friend. Step father rape at a single-digit age. Drugged by a f#$%ing Buffalo female police officer and left in an alley, unconscious, in Buffalo, in f#$%ing February. Permanent disabilities by way of chemical damage from these dosings. Loss of reproductive viability. "Forced" abortions. The mind f#$%ing boggles. To use any language that does not decry this in the strongest possible terms is nothing short of abhorrent.

Post Script: Kudos to Wiz for allowing it to stand. Sweeping under the rug is not cleaning; you gotta dig in and get a little dirty sometimes. Here's hoping we all come out cleaner in the end.
Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it.
April 27th, 2018 at 1:44:19 PM permalink
rxwine
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I don't know anyone who hasn't been screwed (not in the good way) in matters of relationships. It might have only been a month's disappointment when they were a teen, but they probably experienced something where someone dicked them over. But I don't limit it to males or females experience.

If you haven't had some messed up relationships, perhaps your name is FrGamble who, we know chose a go your own way method.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?