An increasing number of South Korean women are choosing not to marry

August 20th, 2018 at 4:22:45 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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An increasing number of South Korean women are choosing not to marry, not to have children, and not even to have relationships with men. With the lowest fertility rate in the world, the country's population will start shrinking unless something changes.

Thomas Malthus, seems to have not been correct about the passion between the sexes.

Quote: Thomas Malthus, 1798. An Essay on the Principle of Population.
The passion between the sexes has appeared in every age to be so nearly the same that it may always be considered, in algebraic language, as a given quantity. The great law of necessity which prevents population from increasing in any country beyond the food which it can either produce or acquire, is a law so open to our view...that we cannot for a moment doubt it. The different modes which nature takes to prevent or repress a redundant population do not appear, indeed, to us so certain and regular, but though we cannot always predict the mode we may with certainty predict the fact.

An increasing number of South Korean women are choosing not to marry, not to have children, and not even to have relationships with men. With the lowest fertility rate in the world, the country's population will start shrinking unless something changes.
"I have no plans to have children, ever," says 24-year-old Jang Yun-hwa, as we chat in a hipsterish cafe in the middle of Seoul.
"I don't want the physical pain of childbirth. And it would be detrimental to my career."
Like many young adults in South Korea's hyper-competitive job market, Yun-hwa, a web comic artist, has worked hard to get where she is and isn't ready to let all that hard graft go to waste.
"Rather than be part of a family, I'd like to be independent and live alone and achieve my dreams," she says.
Yun-hwa isn't the only young Korean woman who sees career and family as mutually exclusive.
There are laws designed to prevent women being discriminated against for getting pregnant, or for just being of an age where that's a possibility - but in practice, unions say, they're not enforced.
The story of Choi Moon-jeong, who lives in one of Seoul's western suburbs, is a powerful illustration of the problem. When she told her boss she was expecting a child, she was shocked by his reaction.
"My boss said, 'Once you have a child your child is going to be your priority and the company will come second, so can you still work?'" Moon-jeong says.
"And he kept repeating this question."
Moon-jeong was working as a tax accountant at the time. As the busiest time of the year approached, her boss piled even more work on her - and when she complained, he said she lacked dedication. Eventually the tensions came to a head.
"He was yelling at me. I was sitting in my chair and, with all the stress, my body started convulsing and I couldn't open my eyes," says Moon-jeong, her open, freckly face crumpling into a frown.
"My co-worker called a paramedic and I was taken to hospital."
At the hospital the doctors told her that stress was bringing about signs of miscarriage.
When Moon-jeong returned to work after a week in hospital, her pregnancy saved, she felt her boss was doing everything he could to force her out of her job.
She says this kind of experience isn't uncommon.
"I think there are many cases where women get concerned when they're pregnant and you have to think very hard before announcing your pregnancy," she says.
"Many people around me have no children and plan to have no children."
Chart showing possible decline in South Korea's population after 2035
A culture of hard work, long hours and dedication to one's job are often credited for South Korea's remarkable transformation over the last 50 years, from developing country to one of the world's biggest economies.
But Yun-hwa says the role women played in this transformation often seems to be overlooked.
"The economic success of Korea also very much depended on the low-wage factory workers, which were mostly female," she says.
"And also the care service that women had to provide in the family in order for men to go out and just focus on work."
Now women are increasingly doing jobs previously done by men - in management and the professions. But despite these rapid social and economic changes, attitudes to gender have been slow to shift.
Quote: My personality isn't fit for that kind of supportive role
"In this country, women are expected to be the cheerleaders of the men," says Yun-hwa.
More than that, she says, there's a tendency for married women to take the role of care-provider in the families they marry into.
"There's a lot of instances when even if a woman has a job, when she marries and has children, the child-rearing part is almost completely her responsibility," she says. "And she's also asked to take care of her in-laws if they get sick."
The average South Korean man spends 45 minutes a day on unpaid work like childcare, according to figures from the OECD, while women spend five times that.
"My personality isn't fit for that sort of supportive role," says Yun-hwa. "I'm busy with my own life."
Jang Yun-hwa
It's not just that she is not interested in marriage, though. She doesn't even want boyfriends. One reason for that is the risk of becoming a victim of revenge porn, which she says is a "big issue" in Korea. But she's also concerned about domestic violence.
The Korean Institute of Criminology published the results of a survey last year in which 80% of men questioned admitted to having been abusive towards romantic partners.
When I ask Yun-hwa how men see women in South Korea, she has a one-word answer: "Slave."
It's clear to see how this feeds into South Korea's baby shortage. The marriage rate in South Korea is at its lowest since records began - 5.5 per 1,000 people, compared with 9.2 in 1970 - and very few children are born outside marriage.
Only Singapore, Hong Kong and Moldova have a fertility rate (the number of children per woman) as low as South Korea's. All are on 1.2, according to World Bank figures, while the replacement rate - the number needed for a population to remain level - is 2.1.
Another factor putting people off starting a family is the cost. While state education is free, the competitive nature of schooling means parents are expected to fork out for extra tuition just so their child can keep up.
All these ingredients have combined to produce a new social phenomenon in South Korea: the Sampo Generation. The word "sampo" means to give up three things - relationships, marriage and children.
Defiantly independent, Yun-hwa says she hasn't given those three things up - she's chosen not to pursue them. She won't say whether she intends to be celibate, or to pursue relationships with women.
Speak to South Koreans from older generations about the low fertility rate and the contrast in attitude is sharp. They see people like Yun-hwa as too individualistic and selfish.
I start chatting to two women in their 60s enjoying the stream-side park that runs through central Seoul. One tells me she has three daughters in their 40s, but none has had children.
"I try to instil patriotism and duty to the country with the kids, and of course I would love to see them continuing the line," she says. "But their decision is not to do that."
"There should be that sense of duty to the country," her friend chips in. "We're very worried about the low fertility rate here."
Yun-hwa and her contemporaries, the children of a globalised world, aren't persuaded by such arguments.
When I put it to her that if she and her contemporaries don't have children her country's culture will die, she tells me that it's time for the male-dominated culture to go.
"Must die," she says, breaking into English. "Must die!"
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August 20th, 2018 at 4:53:30 AM permalink
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Quote: Pacomartin
An increasing number of South Korean women are choosing not to marry, not to have children, and not even to have relationships with men. With the lowest fertility rate in the world, the country's population will start shrinking unless something changes.


This seems to be a common thing as societies evolve. In a poor society, marriage is survival for both parties. As society gains wealth, it is survival to the woman, then just a benefit to the woman financially. Then once society gets to a certain point, people prefer to live alone and not as a familial unit.
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August 20th, 2018 at 6:20:25 AM permalink
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Quote: AZDuffman
This seems to be a common thing as societies evolve. In a poor society, marriage is survival for both parties. As society gains wealth, it is survival to the woman, then just a benefit to the woman financially. Then once society gets to a certain point, people prefer to live alone and not as a familial unit.




Until 1850 when the USA population reached 23 million it was not really considered the in the same level of Great Power as Britain. It wasn't until the increase in population post civil war and the industrial revolution that USA and Germany were considered the equals of Britain and France.

It is shocking when you look at the TFR of Asia Pacific and you wonder how society will handle billions of aged at once.

55 PHILIPPINES 3.02 2017 EST.
67 LAOS 2.70 2017 EST.
78 CAMBODIA 2.52 2017 EST.
105 INDONESIA 2.11 2017 EST.
127 KOREA, NORTH 1.95 2017 EST.
149 VIETNAM 1.81 2017 EST.
182 CHINA 1.60 2017 EST.
194 THAILAND 1.52 2017 EST.
209 JAPAN 1.41 2017 EST.
219 KOREA, SOUTH 1.26 2017 EST.
221 HONG KONG 1.19 2017 EST.
222 TAIWAN 1.13 2017 EST.
223 MACAU 0.95 2017 EST.
224 SINGAPORE 0.83 2017 EST.
August 20th, 2018 at 7:16:02 AM permalink
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Quote: Pacomartin


It is shocking when you look at the TFR of Asia Pacific and you wonder how society will handle billions of aged at once.

55 PHILIPPINES 3.02 2017 EST.
67 LAOS 2.70 2017 EST.
78 CAMBODIA 2.52 2017 EST.
105 INDONESIA 2.11 2017 EST.
127 KOREA, NORTH 1.95 2017 EST.
149 VIETNAM 1.81 2017 EST.
182 CHINA 1.60 2017 EST.
194 THAILAND 1.52 2017 EST.
209 JAPAN 1.41 2017 EST.
219 KOREA, SOUTH 1.26 2017 EST.
221 HONG KONG 1.19 2017 EST.
222 TAIWAN 1.13 2017 EST.
223 MACAU 0.95 2017 EST.
224 SINGAPORE 0.83 2017 EST.


It will be phase 1 in the collapse of the human race. I hold to the idea that humans have 1,000 years left before we go bye-bye. Actually we are already in phase 1, being the phase where more than half of people have decided they do not desire children. Phase 2 will be in 2040-2050. The aged populations will start to be a financial drag. Phase 3 will be around 2100, when population decline hits the entire world and all the infrastructure we have built can no longer be supported and starts to collapse, with larger and larger living areas resembling Gary, IN. Abandoned or effectively abandoned.
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August 20th, 2018 at 7:40:55 AM permalink
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Paul Ralph Ehrlich (born May 29, 1932) Ehrlich became well known for his controversial 1968 book The Population Bomb, which asserted that the world's human population would soon increase to the point where mass starvation ensued.

Among the solutions he suggested in that book was population control, to be used in his opinion if voluntary methods were to fail.

"The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate ..."


Quote: AZDuffman
It will be phase 1 in the collapse of the human race. ... Phase 2 will be in 2040-2050.


Maybe phase 2 will be when sub-Saharan Africans and people from the Indian subcontinent take over a world full of old people.
August 20th, 2018 at 7:41:12 AM permalink
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It is particularly significant because most Asian cultures teach women to not just marry but to always marry UP.

Once there is prosperity and self sufficiency many women take a look at lifestyles and decide husbands are a drag and some even decide kids are a drag too.

The poor, the less well educated all tend to fall prey to impulses.
August 20th, 2018 at 7:56:19 AM permalink
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Quote: Pacomartin

Maybe phase 2 will be when sub-Saharan Africans and people from the Indian subcontinent take over a world full of old people.


That will be part of it, but they will probably not have the societal capacity to run things. A world looking like India?

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Once there is prosperity and self sufficiency many women take a look at lifestyles and decide husbands are a drag and some even decide kids are a drag too.


See USA, post-1970, for living example.
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