Democratic Nominee in 2020

Quote: AZDuffman

Trump actually had money before he arrived, I doubt we will see him making paid speeches or on some kind of tour after he is done in hopefully 2028.

Quote: SOOPOO

Come on AZ. What is that 2028 crack about???? You thinking he gets a THIRD term???!

DJT is going to be Pence's VP pick.

Quote: Face

True, my opinion doesn't mean that.

Here's the telling thing. Before he
was elected, everybody loved Trump.
A few years ago, both Leno and
Letterman said Trump was one of
their top 5 favorite guests. He was
always dependable for humor and
you could make fun of him and he
always took it very well. Now they
hate his guts and he's the same
guy.

America had plenty of time to hate
Trump, decades. But they loved him
instead. Until he was elected. So the
'hatred' they have now is very suspect.
Extremely suspect. It's sore loser hatred,
phony baloney hatred, the media telling
them what to feel hatred. If he's so
vile, why haven't my feelings about him
changed one iota from 10 years ago.

Quote: AZDuffman

You are aware he is donating his salary back to the government?

Every quarter he donates that check
to a different branch of gov't. I'm
astounded at the number of people
screaming that he promised not to
take a salary and yet he is. Places
like the Forest Service and the VA
are getting the money, not Trump.

Quote: AZDuffman

It is about being well-rounded. It is about transferable skills. I got into my current line of work (OG Land) when a recruiter told me that they train people who came out of mortgage title but also could get things done there. I got things done there from my years of operations management where I had to. Some people could not get things done, I used to have to tell some of my mortgage process coworkers, "See that plastic thing on your desk with numbers on it? PUT IT TO USE!"

Nobody has the "experience" with everything before they get elected POTUS. Even a diplomat from State Dept has probably not managed any sort of anything important. Its why when selecting a POTUS you just want some broad experience. Trump has probably the most broad experience of any POTUS of our time. People said Hillary had experience, but what she had was that of a high school student who joined a bunch of clubs to put on her college application, never having done much with any of them. Trump is more the kid who worked in his dad's business doing every job. The elite like the Hillary experience, myself I prefer a guy who made it on the streets.

It's sometimes so hard to (try to) be objective, I actually sweat. Sweating now lol.

I don't have much of an argument here, and you nailed the reason I find some of the more impassioned Left to be equally ridiculous. I hate him, too, but to deny him any worth or value only serves to harm your own argument. He DOES have a type of experience that's needed in this line that not many get, and that's dealing with the hyper elite. The having to deal with so many different facets of society that someone like him has had to do is an experience that I'd argue NONE have ever had in their careers. Having a personality type that could turn one from a "regular" rich person into a worldwide household name is also "something". I'll tell you it's something I do not value personally and actually find as a negative personality trait, but I'd be willfully retarded to say that that facet does not have extreme value. It does, and Trump has it in spades.

Objectively, it all comes down to what I think are the nation's most pressing issues, and what's got my jimmies rustled is healthcare (single payer or go-your-own, it's a bleeding mess), personal freedoms (no action on paramilitary police, no action of asset forfeiture, no action on prison industrial, no action on legal reform, he did decrim weed but also rammed in a bump stock ban sans due process), infrastructure (roads, lines and pipes), and the deficit (20T seems a bit much). Instead, we're all hyped about browns at the borders. It's the gay cake all over again. Everyone's in a tizzy about a gay cake while Haiti is wiped off the map, now everyone's in a tizzy over poor brown folk while we turn blind eyes to dictatorial murders of our own journalists, and 70% of our people live paycheck to paycheck in the richest country in the world.

I guess for regular ol' modern American politics, Trump is doing just fine. I want more. I expect more. And I don't think I'll get working class empathy from someone who's earned six figures since he was a toddler.

Quote: AZD

It is about personality. Trump has that alpha-male personality. He fills the room. You want to be his friend. The simplest things in his life seem an adventure.

Guess it's down to simple difference in our personalities. Guys like him I'm very thankful for if I'm stuck at an airport bar for an hour, as they're personable and engaging. But as an acquaintance, he's exactly the type I avoid. Always up-talking, always hyping. He's a salesman to the core, and it permeates through his entire personality. And salesmen irk me. If you're cool, I'll like you. Keep telling me how cool you are and you've just shown me you aren't.

Quote: AZD

You are aware he is donating his salary back to the government? He would have worked for free, but that would take a literal act of congress, so smart businessman he is and concerned with the net result he has donated it back to the Treasury, usually quarterly and he has directed it to various causes. FWIW, any US Citizen can make a gift to the Treasury and are free to "direct" it as they wish. In most cases it will get lost in the system, but anyone can do it. Did Obama, who often bragged how rich he was, do this? Not that I saw. Nor did Hillary, who both bragged about being rich as well as claimed poverty.

Yes, most become millionaires working the system after they made the needed connections. Trump actually had money before he arrived, I doubt we will see him making paid speeches or on some kind of tour after he is done in hopefully 2028. If he does, look for him to donate whatever he makes somewhere.

I do not nor have I ever held the belief that the salary was anything of import. Even as far back as 4th grade social studies, finding out that Herbert Walker made less than the Dolphins practice squad kicker let me know that a pres salary did not make one rich. Yet they allll are, filthily so. 8 years is 4mm. For Trump, for .gov, for any presidential action, that is a rounding error.

I agree with making speeches and a book tour, but only because his abilities and connections have risen his sights way higher. I've no idea his worth, literally not a clue in the world. But the idea that Trump will be 2-4yrs passed his predicency raking it in hand over fist seeing his fortune grow to never before seen heights is such a lock that if he somehow earned nothing and/or lost money, I'd butcher my dog, tan his hide, fashion him into headgear and eat my own GD hat.

Quote: SOOPOO

Come on AZ. What is that 2028 crack about???? You thinking he gets a THIRD term???!

It is about not getting home until 0230 this morning after driving halfway across the state in a blinding snow after working my dealing side hustle. Was more tired than I thought!

On the subject of the later, two of our dealers called off because of "snow." No snow when we left. The pit boss had to recruit from waitresses. At first they had to ask for volunteers. Then when they found the hourly rate they were drawing straws to see who got to do it.

Quote: AZDuffman

On the subject of the later, two of our dealers called off because of "snow."

Congratz on your move to the Carolinas?

Quote: Face

Objectively, it all comes down to what I think are the nation's most pressing issues, and what's got my jimmies rustled is healthcare (single payer or go-your-own, it's a bleeding mess), personal freedoms (no action on paramilitary police, no action of asset forfeiture, no action on prison industrial, no action on legal reform, he did decrim weed but also rammed in a bump stock ban sans due process), infrastructure (roads, lines and pipes), and the deficit (20T seems a bit much). Instead, we're all hyped about browns at the borders. It's the gay cake all over again. Everyone's in a tizzy about a gay cake while Haiti is wiped off the map, now everyone's in a tizzy over poor brown folk while we turn blind eyes to dictatorial murders of our own journalists, and 70% of our people live paycheck to paycheck in the richest country in the world.

70% living paycheck to paycheck and uncontrolled immigration have some connections. Back in Phoenix, most labor from landscape to painters are Mexicans, often illegals. I have to figure it is worse in CA. I knew guys who got work because people felt unsafe having a crew of Mexicans jabbering in Spanish in their homes. But larger scale all that cheap labor lowers rates for everyone. I can say that most people I have met are not upset that "they are Brown!" but that after they arrive they try to make the USA into the Mexico that they ran from in everything from all the Spanish signs to voting socialist. Deep down that is what people are most upset about. The $20T debt (not deficit) is mostly because of all these social programs the last 50 years, which the new arrivals will latch on to upon arrival.

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I guess for regular ol' modern American politics, Trump is doing just fine. I want more. I expect more. And I don't think I'll get working class empathy from someone who's earned six figures since he was a toddler.

Trump has more empathy than any POTUS of my time. He has not talked high-level about the reasons imports from Mexico causing the local mill to close is good in the long run. I have actually heard of two steel mills opening because of his policies. If I still lived in NY I would put it in terms that he is the first pol who cares about people north and west of the Tappan Zee Bridge. He does not promise a useless college degree for junior, he wants junior to have a good job to go to. I was in an interview with a recruitment place that said, "we are so busy we do not even make sales calls at the moment, and TRUMP DID THIS!" Said their phone started ringing off the hook the day after he won.

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Guess it's down to simple difference in our personalities. Guys like him I'm very thankful for if I'm stuck at an airport bar for an hour, as they're personable and engaging. But as an acquaintance, he's exactly the type I avoid. Always up-talking, always hyping. He's a salesman to the core, and it permeates through his entire personality. And salesmen irk me. If you're cool, I'll like you. Keep telling me how cool you are and you've just shown me you aren't.

Salesmen sell their ideas. Last election we saw it. Hillary could not sell fire insurance to someone who's house was on fire. She had no personality. She got the "girl power" set by default. Trump had packed rallies. He reached people. But I have not heard him keep saying, "how cool he is." I have heard him sell ideas. Heard him sell his properties. Have not heard him say, "I, I, I, I....." like we had before.

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I agree with making speeches and a book tour, but only because his abilities and connections have risen his sights way higher. I've no idea his worth, literally not a clue in the world. But the idea that Trump will be 2-4yrs passed his predicency raking it in hand over fist seeing his fortune grow to never before seen heights is such a lock that if he somehow earned nothing and/or lost money, I'd butcher my dog, tan his hide, fashion him into headgear and eat my own GD hat.

Sure he will do better. A goal in life is to keep bettering yourself. Trump is long past when a few more million will matter. He will probably not retire and take it easy as he is a high-energy type who needs to keep working. That I see nothing wrong with.

Quote: Face

Congratz on your move to the Carolinas?

EDIT: It took me a minute to get that! Serious, I cannot convey how wiped out I am.

Actually last night I was in Pennsatucky. Don't get me started on wishing on moving to a warmer place. So conflicted. All my life is here, yet hate the snow, hate the cold, and am at that late in life point where I so wish I knew how to live nomadic in my 20s. I am almost as if I could travel back to being 23 but take one skill I'd take my ability to deal craps and be a nomadic casino dealer bum.

Face,

Fantastic series of posts making a boatload of sense. Thanks very much for taking the time.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Kamala Harris is going to be a serious contender. I don't know if people can get past her being a woman of color, which is on them, not her.

To be honest, I didn't even know she was a "woman of color" until recently. It is getting harder and harder to tell sometimes, which I think is a good thing.