Worst possible news for Boeing

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March 14th, 2019 at 6:01:11 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: gamerfreak
I dont know the business well, but It already seemed like most Airlines were leaning towards airbus in the last decade or so.


Boeing still has a commanding lead in dual aisle jets. In single-aisle jets Airbus has a strong lead in the over 200 seat single-aisle jets, but Boeing and Airbus were about equal in the 200 seats. However, the Max-8 was Boeing's product in this last category.

World-wide demand for single-aisle jets is massive, and Airbus could not meet demand if Boeing shuts down their production line. For flights of 3000 miles or less, the fuel burn on dual aisle jets is so high, that airlines can't afford to run the larger jets on the short routes (with a handful of exceptions).

There is a possibility of some sales of the smallest Dreamliner being done to replace some of the single aisle jets (particularly the B737max-10), but it is a jet whose retail price is an extra $100 million

Airplane Families Current Price
$ in millions average
737 MAX 7 $99.7
737 MAX 8 $121.6
737 MAX 200 $124.8
737 MAX 9 $128.9
737 MAX 10 $134.9

787-8 $248.3
787-9 $292.5
787-10 $338.4
March 14th, 2019 at 2:01:58 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Damn, that looked like a frightful ride! https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-14/new-satellite-network-offered-clues-boeing-737-mystery-crashes
Everyone gets thrown from the plane to maintain altitude
March 14th, 2019 at 6:50:36 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: Pacomartin
I can't imagine how many orders will be cancelled. There are thousands on order from companies that have received less than 2 deliveries so far.
Indonesia has already dropped most of their orders.

Boeing 737 Max orders as of July 2018
1 Central Asia
47 Africa
49 Oceania
95 Caribbean
121 Central America and Mexico
161 South America
312 Middle East
314 East Asia
342 South Asia
493 Southeast Asia
755 Europe
850 Unidentified
1214 North America
4754
It's a software fix isn't it? Isn't it still an airworthy craft other than some training and changing out the nose diving characteristic of the computer program?
Everyone gets thrown from the plane to maintain altitude
March 16th, 2019 at 4:44:48 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: petroglyph
It's a software fix isn't it? Isn't it still an airworthy craft other than some training and changing out the nose diving characteristic of the computer program?


I think the stock market agrees with you. BA stock has rebounded slightly from the lows immediately after the crash. If the perception among those in the know would be BA would lose those 4754 orders, plus pay out the hundreds of millions if not billions in lawsuit costs, then the stock would be down far more than it is already.
March 22nd, 2019 at 3:23:02 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Is anyone going to avoid certain airlines that have purchased the B737-Max?

MAX orders - North American Airlines ranked by % passengers
  1. 100 American*Airlines 19.94% United*States
  2. 280 Southwest*Airlines 16.01% United*States
  3. 137 United*Airlines 15.50% United*States
  4. 61 Air*Canada 5.09% Canada
  5. 32 Alaska*Airlines 4.48% United*States --- only North American airline to order B737MAX not to have received deliveries
  6. 55 WestJet 2.50% Canada
  7. 60 Aeroméxico 2.14% Mexico
    ...
  8. zero Delta*Air*Lines 18.84% United*States
  9. zero JetBlue*Airways 4.13% United*States
  10. zero Spirit*Airlines 2.87% United*States
  11. zero Volaris 1.80% Mexico
  12. zero Frontier*Airlines 1.82% United*States
  13. zero Interjet 1.21% Mexico
  14. zero Allegiant*Air 1.33% United*States
  15. zero Hawaiian*Airlines 1.16% United*States
  16. zero VivaAerobus 0.98% Mexico
  17. zero Sun*Country*Airlines 0.20% United*States

Clearly Southwest Airlines is the most dependent on Boeing 737, but Aeroméxico comes a close second. Their entire single aisle fleet of 47 jets is composed of the Next Generation B737s, so they meant to use the MAX as a fleet refresh. So far they have had 6 delivered.
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