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July 4th, 2019 at 4:03:37 PM permalink
Evenbob
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What a piece of junk this car was.

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July 4th, 2019 at 4:10:24 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
What a piece of junk this car was.



I had an 88 Lebaron, the one with the hidden headlights. Always loved the look, biggest pile of junk I could own. Last Chrysler I will ever own. At work we had a fleet of Dakotas. Those Chryslers were good when new, but at 50K miles they fell to pieces. I still like the looks of the convertibles, but I am a convertible guy.
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July 4th, 2019 at 5:03:45 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: AZDuffman
Always loved the look, biggest pile of junk I could own.


At the end he says "If you can find
a better car, buy it." A Yugo was a
better car than a LeBaron. Any
Chrysler product from the 80's
was junk. I had the cab biz in
the 80's and we had Chevy's
only. A rival fleet had Dodge's
and Plymouth's. It was a joke,
they could barely keep a car
on the road for 2 days in a row.
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July 4th, 2019 at 5:04:35 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Remember the Dodge Power Wagon around 78 that the hood would catch and hold a puddle of water when it rained? Just standing there with a couple of inches of water on the hood. Funny.

I had a 52 with a pto winch in my construction outfit, it was suited for off road for sure. And the older pickups 64 and earlier were good and tough, from then on they must have really po'd the engineers. The wiring was never right.
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July 4th, 2019 at 5:14:27 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
At the end he says "If you can find
a better car, buy it." A Yugo was a
better car than a LeBaron. Any
Chrysler product from the 80's
was junk. I had the cab biz in
the 80's and we had Chevy's
only. A rival fleet had Dodge's
and Plymouth's. It was a joke,
they could barely keep a car
on the road for 2 days in a row.


Worse than a Yugo is a stretch. The old RWD ones held up a bit better. I bid on one as a used cop car, didn't get it. The full-size Ram we had, good grief was it an awful one to drive compared to the newer Chevy trucks. But they did hold up, being such an old design.
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July 4th, 2019 at 9:25:46 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: AZDuffman
Worse than a Yugo is a stretch. .


I was exaggerating for effect. This
is an interesting list. Cadillac
Cimmeron made number 1 as
the worst car of the 80's. Yugo
was number 2. I drove an 81
Rabbit for years, one of the best
cars I ever had. It's the only 80's
car I ever owned.

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-10-worst-cars-of-the-1980s-513613874

From 80 to 83 I had a 68
Lincoln. 83 to 86 a 77 Chevy.
86 to 93 the Rabbit. Then
in 93 at an auction I got
a 76 Chevy 3/4 ton van
with 30K actual miles and
drove it till 2000. That
and a 69 Chrysler I drove
in the summer. Loved that
car.
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July 5th, 2019 at 3:18:21 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
I was exaggerating for effect. This
is an interesting list. Cadillac
Cimmeron made number 1 as
the worst car of the 80's. Yugo
was number 2. I drove an 81
Rabbit for years, one of the best
cars I ever had. It's the only 80's
car I ever owned.


Looking back the 1980s was as bad for cars as we thought. Watch the "Motorweek" Retro-reviews on YT. Two things stand out to me. One is how bad all the numbers were. The other is that these were the cars that those times demanded. This mix made some just bad cars. Unlike the 70s cars, these did not rust away in 5 years, some actually did run and run and run. But boy, was it bad times.
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July 5th, 2019 at 10:29:14 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: AZDuffman
But boy, was it bad times.


Ugly cars too. They 80's cars were
the result of the mid 70's oil crisis.
I've read it takes Detroit 5 years to
put out a new model car. A 1960
car was actually designed 4-5 years
earlier. It takes that long from design
to assembly line. The oil crisis was
why the Cimmeron had an 88hp
4 cylinder engine that could barely
make it up hills.
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July 5th, 2019 at 12:00:21 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
Ugly cars too. They 80's cars were
the result of the mid 70's oil crisis.
I've read it takes Detroit 5 years to
put out a new model car. A 1960
car was actually designed 4-5 years
earlier. It takes that long from design
to assembly line. The oil crisis was
why the Cimmeron had an 88hp
4 cylinder engine that could barely
make it up hills.


5 years for ground-up, less for just a reskin. The Mustang took about 3 years as it was just a new body on a Falcon. Poor GM over those years. So many times they had the right idea but just executed awful. Vega started it, right idea, right time, awful car. Citation and other X cars, again right idea at right time, awful car. Cadillac 6-8-4, right idea, too early. Cimmaron, right idea, Ford could not have made a worse car for GM to sell if they were trying to destroy their competitor. We could easily find more.

What really happened was that GM followed "scientific management." Business was taught at colleges, but it was really just teach accounting, some management psychology training, and beef it up with some marketing to get a degree. Most of a Business Degree in college really amounts to studying case studies of what people have done before, and learn the best way to handle things. You get to be a better manager by being "on the street" for years.

Business professors were not respected on campus because of this, so they beefed things up. More "math" solutions to non-math issues, more "if-then" solutions. Every management problem was to have a logical and repeatable answer. Meanwhile, GM was such a company that they could restrict applicants to 3.5 GPA and above. Problem is too many of these types are "book smart, street stupid." They have no "feel" for their business. Or in classic terms, they do not understand that their dog food is not selling because the dogs don't like the taste."

Eventually, decisions are made based on theory, and people are not punished for bad results if the inputs were right. A rational CEO would fire everyone involved with the Cimmaron at a high level. Who green-lighted this? Just pack your desk, you clearly do not know your customer!

Even if some were fired, it was not enough.
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July 9th, 2019 at 7:15:56 AM permalink
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