Bah! Humbug!

Made famous by Dicken's, Scrooge was saying
Christmas is a fraud. Which indeed it is.

Jesus wasn't born in Bethlehem, he wasn't
born in a stable or manger, there were no
three wisemen, no shining star, and not
only wasn't he born on Dec 25th, he wasn't
even born in winter. And his mom was most
certainly impregnated by his dad, not some
some god who had a split personality complex.

Even when all this can be proven forensically,
65% of Americans still believe the original
story is factually true. Amazing.

We need to have the Holiday Season, and get
Christmas out of it. It's just an old pagan holiday
they stole anyway, time to take it back. The tree,
the feast, singing of songs, the yule log, mistletoe,
gift giving, it was appropriated by the Church from
very old pagan rituals. Everything about Xmas is fake
and stolen. Time to bid it farewell.

Whenever I hear a nativity display was outlawed,
I give a little cheer. Keeping that myth alive does
nobody any good. Give to a charity if you want
to accomplish something.

Some of the people around here go all out with xmas lights and I think they are pretty.

I liked playing the game and spoiling my kids with wrapped gifts and so on.

Christmas now is depressing, and I really don't like xmas music for a month in every grocery store and building.

I know a couple "lonely old men" that need watching this time of year, after losing all their stuff and visitation.

Quote: petroglyph

Some of the people around here go all out with xmas lights and I think they are pretty.
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Nothing wrong with the festivities
of Xmas, the good cheer, the tree,
the gifts, the drinking, all solid
pagan traditions. Just erase
Jesus out of it. It's a peoples
celebration, not a superstitious
religious one. Happy Holidays!

Quote: Evenbob

Nothing wrong with the festivities
of Xmas, the good cheer, the tree,
the gifts, the drinking, all solid
pagan traditions. Just erase
Jesus out of it. It's a peoples
celebration, not a superstitious
religious one. Happy Holidays!

It's pretty hard to find evidence of the celebration of Jesus at Christmas unless you seek it out if you ask me, so actually your ilk won this one, quit complaining.

I think it is actually possible the original [yes, pagan] celebration is a few days after the solstice, not on the solstice, due to there probably needing to be a few days to confirm that the days are getting longer without modern timekeeping. The ancients were better at observing the change in the spot that the sun rose or set to determine these things, I think.

I'm glad you like,the festivities Bob, those are very human and good things to do. They are not pagan nor Christian exclusive. Every people throughout history has celebrated certain feasts and important days. What you seem to be upset about is that there has never been such a huge and lasting celebration for something you don't believe in. All over the entire world for weeks and weeks we have been preparing to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. I can imgaine it is frustrating to you because it challenges your false beliefs. When this happens you usually block someone or run away, but you can't do that around Christmas time. I feel for ya brother, know I'm praying for you and hope that the real reason for the season doesn't get in the way of you having a really great holiday season.

I am rather convinced that Sears & Roebuck invented Christmas.

Quote: DRich

I am rather convinced that Sears & Roebuck invented Christmas.

Well Coke invented our modern Santa Claus so you could be right.

Quote: DRich

I am rather convinced that Sears & Roebuck invented Christmas.

There's a movie on Prime from last year,
The Man Who Invented Christmas. It's
about A Christmas Carol, from Dickens
point of view. It's pretty good. They
point out that before the book, in England
Xmas was a fairly minor holiday.

I reckon we are talking about the commercialization of Christmas and things like Santa Claus, etc. in which I would agree.

However, we all know of course that Christmas is one of the great feast days of Christianity. Long before Sears was around Christmas was and is always huge! I unfortunately always have to be the one to point our Evenbob's self-defeating logic. If before the book "A Christmas Carol" was written Christmas was a minor holiday then how could the book itself point out how strange and awful poor Scrooge was being? If Christmas was not a big thing, and it was, then how could the book portray it as such? I know Evenbob doesn't lie, he is too honest for that, however the stuff he believes boogles the mind. Hey if Scrooge can go through such a great conversion than I always hold out hope for Evenbob.

I like how they do Christmas in Aruba, Germany, Australia, and New Zealand (places I've been close to Christmas). They will put up some festive decorations but there isn't much religious about it. As near as I can tell, there is little of the shopping hysteria we have in this country.

I'm not opposed to Nativity scenes any more than Santa Claus and reindeer, it is the commercialism of it that gets me down.