Should essential services be publicly owned
January 2nd, 2019 at 3:59:07 PM permalink | |
gamerfreak Member since: Feb 19, 2018 Threads: 4 Posts: 527 |
In PA the power providers never actually touch the lines. All installation and maintenance is done by the company that owns the lines, so I imagine they would be responsible. |
January 2nd, 2019 at 4:26:52 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
The owner of the lines is solely responsible for the lines. No different than if a railroad car derails you do not sue the party who had the cargo onboard. As to the fires, it is probably bad forest management that is most to blame. The President is a fink. |
January 2nd, 2019 at 4:55:53 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | If Warren Buffett's railcars spill ten tankers of oil, doesn't BH get sued? I think everybody and their dog will eventually get sued. It doesn't seem right if the owner of the poles/lines has to maintain the easement and the lines, has to be responsible when so many other vendors by law get to use the lines. Say the owner of the wire, doesn't have any customers on that line, only tertiary providers. If it weren't for the other providers, the line would be de energized? A different example which I think is different in different states. Ex. someone borrows my car and runs over someone. In Ak. it is the car owners fault. In Wa. state, it is the drivers fault. If it is my powerline, I could say to joe provider, go ahead I'm not using it, sell some juice if you get a buyer. Until then our generation is down while we change the oil. Until the alternate provider put juice on the line, it was benign, wouldn't hurt a squirrel. The alternate provider finds a customer up squawk canyon and fires it up, then burns the world down. How is that the powerline owners fault, when the law [deregulation] makes him by law, allow other providers to use his equipment. At least in the example of the rr, someone owned it individually [corporately]. The power company has no control over who's using it's stuff. Coincidentally, I just had my tv on with RT "American Lawyer" on in the background, and they started discussing the liability of pge with the fires. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:49:25 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
He should not. The people at fault would be the RR or whomever he contracted out to haul the oil in their tanker car. It would depend on if it was bad track or a fault in the car.
But why? He owns the lines and charges a fee for the service of moving the current as we are not communists. The fee he charges helps to cover the cost of maintaining the lines. If he does not like the arrangement he may sell the lines to someone else who wants the concession.
See above. The President is a fink. |
January 3rd, 2019 at 9:16:37 AM permalink | |
beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 | Public. Essential services should be public, accountable, and not have the extra load of profit/shareholder requirements to meet. Regulate prices, provide for improvements, maintenance, and New lines in the rates charged. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
January 3rd, 2019 at 9:40:03 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
So where does this end? Should the grocery store be public since food is essential? What is wrong with making a profit? The President is a fink. |
January 3rd, 2019 at 9:49:23 AM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4495 |
It is far from proven that public services are cheaper. The 'extra load' of profit is usually more than offset by the inefficiencies of a government bureaucracy. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
January 3rd, 2019 at 9:54:09 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
It is also not some "corporation" keeping the profits. It is folks like myself who have a good portion of their retirements invested in utilities for their stable returns. CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE! The President is a fink. |
January 3rd, 2019 at 10:38:52 AM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | But under deregulation, he doesn't have a choice. Anyone can use the lines. The deregulation in this case is not fair. The owner/builder of the lines has immense stranded capital that their prices must reflect. A competitor can sell to customers without that cost or liability cost. No way can the owner compete, selling power over his own lines. That's how Enron scorched the earth in the same area. The same thing happened with communication lines up north. ACS, a premier local company quit putting phone lines into developments, because GCI could use the facility and undersell them on their own equipment. That's powerline socialism. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
January 3rd, 2019 at 10:41:11 AM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Do you think taxpayers should have to pick up the losses for the PG&E fires, as these latest fires will bankrupt them? Are you supporting privatized profits and socialized losses? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |