Saint John Henry Newman
October 17th, 2019 at 9:26:41 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | One of my personal heroes was officially made a saint last weekend. It was such a great joy. I wrote my thesis on Cardinal Newman and believe he was one of the greatest minds in history. He clearly showed that faith was rational and that unbelief was really based on a desire not to believe. He showed that we all live by faith aka trust. We trust our memory, our senses, and our reason. We trust them even when we know they are occasionally wrong because in most cases they are correct. To be human is to trust ourselves. We do this literally every hour of every day. He goes further to show how little we would know if we just had faith in ourselves. We must have faith in others to know anything. I've never been to Australia yet I have faith it is there because of the people who have visited it. I trust the mapmakers and that the photos from space are real. I have no immediate experience of it but I have faith in others so that I believe it, nothing is more rational and reasonable than this. The problem is that recognition of this fact is despised by many people. We sometimes secretly, sometimes more openly, hate the fact that we are so dependent on faith and trust in others for our knowledge. We want to make it up ourselves and believe what we want to believe and make ourselves God. This is the real reason for those who do not believe in God. They are stubborn and it boils down to not wanting to believe. You can show them why faith is the most human and reasonable thing we can possibly do, you can lay out arguments for God and show them evidence, but it won't really matter to them because belief in the true God means they have to come to grips with the fact that they are not God, and they can't. I recently gave a few lectures on the life and legacy of the new Saint John Henry Newman and came to realize that this is the reason so many on the forum don't believe. If they don't want to believe; no evidence, no reason, no argument will even help them to understand. Even in Newman's day he gave a simple test to see if someone was serious about pursuing the truth, wherever it led, and someone who was really just trying to pretend to be God and hopelessly rebelling against the fact that they were dependent on faith by lashing out unreasonably against the one who they thought was their enemy, namely the source and giver of all truth, God. The test was about how people respond and act when discussing religion. Those who when discussing religious faith were angry, vicious, mean, and ignorant were not worth arguing with because they simply did not want to believe. I take a lot of solace in that and am trying to change how I interact with some of the forum members who fail Newman's simple test. St. John Henry Newman...pray for us! “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 17th, 2019 at 10:06:45 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
I find I become angry vicious and mean when you give one of your crazier explanations for something. Like the churches' anti-condom position, or that explanation about the path to heaven not really being narrow. And a few other things, I'm not remembering for the moment. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
October 17th, 2019 at 11:50:13 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
This 'test' he mentions about being angry and mean is ridiculous. It means they simply don't want to believe? NOT! It means they don't see any god to believe in. Period. They'd be more than happy to believe in something that was rational and made sense, and for which there was verifiable proof. Xtions have a made up ridiculous story & get upset when others don't fall for it. So it must be because they 'don't want to believe', it couldn't be because it's an obvious fairy tale that insults the intelligence. A religion that used to hunt down non believers and imprison or murder them. Why would that possibly make anybody angry, vicious or mean.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 18th, 2019 at 5:01:12 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | By 'understand' you really mean 'agree with you'. Sometimes people cling to what they value, despite any arguments that are advanced about the Chinese eating dogs and cats. Often we invent euphemisms such as 'sustainable protein' rather than say 'insect protein'.
The source and giver of all truth is The Great Pumpkin according to Charley Brown, the Sun God in many cultures, the Moon God amongst nocturnal creatures. Do you perhaps mean how people respond when someone is discussing religion at them. YOU fail this test when you choose to accept that Australia is there but not accept the cartographer's notation that 'beyond here are dragons'. NEWS FLASH: He be dead! He don't pray. He don't curse. Others merely invoke his name to pray, an act often seen as invoking his name to prey. |
October 18th, 2019 at 5:04:43 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18210 |
Can you tell us a little more about him? The President is a fink. |
October 18th, 2019 at 10:12:27 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Shhh. You'll make FrG angry, mean and vicious with your belief..Of course this 'saint' is dead and gone and not listening to anybodies prayers. If I claimed my aunt Gladys was listening to me, even though she died in 1972, they'd lock me up in the loony bin. But connect it to a religion and I'm golden. That's not crazy at all.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 18th, 2019 at 11:33:54 AM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
I'd be happy to believe if I had some evidence to go on. It doesn't even need to be a rock-solid case. I just need to get to 51%. I'm at about 5% right now. Also, I've been to Australia twice, so can vouch that it's there. But maybe I'm just in on the conspiracy. p.s. I've climbed to the top of this bridge. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
October 18th, 2019 at 11:45:26 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Exactly, thank you. I also want to believe, but so far I've seen not a tidbit of real evidence to believe in. Anecdotes are NOT evidence of anything except peoples ignorance. FrG grew up having this stuff pounded into his head. How unfortunate for him, he has no ability see around his brainwashing. Instead he blames us, the clear headed thinkers, for not just accepting at face value all the nonsense his mind has been filled with. The rest of us don't see this supernatural superstitious world he's been erroneously told exists. We instead see the real world, something he's been robbed of the ability to do. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 18th, 2019 at 11:46:06 AM permalink | |
Mosca Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 22 Posts: 730 | I’m happy for you, Fr G, that your guy made the grade. The rest of the discussion doesn’t interest me. It used to, but it doesn’t any more. |
October 18th, 2019 at 11:58:27 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | Now it's making sense. St. John Henry Newman: The First Openly Gay Catholic Saint? https://www.newwaysministry.org/2019/10/13/st-john-henry-newman-the-first-openly-gay-catholic-saint/ He had a lifelong 'companion' who was also a priest. They lived together. They're even buried in the same grave. Yet some Catholics will tell you he wasn't Gay. Right.. makes sense that the 80%-90% Vatican priesthood would make this guy a saint. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |