Saint John Henry Newman
October 18th, 2019 at 12:07:53 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 |
There is such a thing as tact however. I've had some measure of experience with Search And Rescue matters. Relatives tend to want ever more resources devoted to a search and ever more searchers to be placed at risk despite what many see as an obvious fate. Even when there is an acceptance of a yacht having sunk and all hands having been lost, no funeral is held. It is a Celebration of Life and the words death and funeral are not mentioned. The first row center table is empty and bears a small, dignified sign "Reserved for the Crew". we recognize such actions as a measure of respect and tolerance. Perhaps we should let FrGamble have his unique viewpoints. |
October 18th, 2019 at 12:37:51 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18202 |
The thing is, it is called "faith" for a reason. You do not get "proofs" as in science and math. To use a contemporary example, watch the end of "Pulp Fiction" where Jules feels he was saved because of a divine intervention. "Science" says the guy had bad aim for whatever reason, faith says a force acted on that science to make it happen. I will though put up my rock-solid position. Show how life came from a lifeless universe. How did life come on earth from no life? Science has disproved spontaneous generation. Something made it happen. The President is a fink. |
October 18th, 2019 at 12:53:46 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
How do you know it was a lifeless universe, you're assuming it was. Where's your proof it was lifeless. Also, where's the proof that the universe hasn't been here forever. Not the billions of galaxies, they exist within the universe. How do you know the big bang wasn't just one of an infinite number of big bangs, collapse and rebirth, that goes on forever. Far too many questions with no answers for me to put my 'faith' in some cobbled together god made up by wandering Jews 9000 years ago. Till I get actual proof of a god, one does not exist for me. At least Mike has a picture of him in Australia, so it might actually exist. God believers have nothing except faith. In other words, they have nothing. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 18th, 2019 at 1:41:40 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
I think both sides would agree on that. That's why people believe in god, they don't "know" in god. For example, I believe the theory of evolution, but I'm not 100% on it. But I know Australia exists. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
October 18th, 2019 at 1:47:11 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
We're taking your word on that, the pic could have been photo shopped. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 18th, 2019 at 2:12:03 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18202 |
Where is you proof that there was always life? Where is your proof that life can be infinite? If you have that proof, please answer if the chicken or egg came first. We know that there is no life anywhere else in our solar system. We know that Earth is much younger than most of the universe. We know that life as we know it was not possible for perhaps the first billion years Earth was here. If you are ready to explain how life can be infinite with no beginning they maybe you can do something besides blow smoke. I am ready to hear a scientific way this is possible. The President is a fink. |
October 18th, 2019 at 2:15:06 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18202 |
An interesting example. Science shows evolution should not happen just as much as it says it should. A reason some people have to say "mother nature" instead of "God." It is closest some people can get to giving up the arrogant position that there is a higher power than mankind. (NOTE: not you on that last part.) The President is a fink. |
October 18th, 2019 at 2:23:30 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Nothing can be explained, that's the point. You have no proof of your belief, I have no proof of mine. Hinduism believes the universe is born and dies over and over. Xtionity believes something else. Seems kind of silly to be bound to beliefs when proof doesn't exist. Because once you believe something on faith, you invent all kinds of other things to bolster it, as organized religion always does. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 18th, 2019 at 5:43:40 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18202 |
This is a fine position. Just do not pretend you have anything more than your faith backing up your position. What you accuse FrG and any other believer of you are doing the same, just the contrary position. The President is a fink. |
October 18th, 2019 at 6:33:02 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
I was not aware of that. Can you expand on that point? Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |