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Science and Religion
| October 21st, 2019 at 3:37:09 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
I do not blame any Jews today, but it was a totally Jewish mob and issue. Pilate didn't want to be involved in the whole matter, considering it among the Jewish population of the area. FWIW, the only company I ever worked for that had Good Friday as a holiday was Jewish owned, go figure. The President is a fink. |
| October 21st, 2019 at 6:31:10 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18755 | While I don't believe we have any real grasp on the mechanism of how life began, I'm not too concerned. That probably is one of the top ten big questions, and no reason to expect any of those answers to come easily. It's just too easy to default to a god did it, which of course has no proof. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| October 21st, 2019 at 6:36:12 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18755 | I'm kind of fascinated by consciousness. It's right there with us all day. Each of us can study it as much as we want. But that doesn't make it any piece of cake to really understand. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| October 21st, 2019 at 8:20:34 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Carl Jung was fascinated with it too. He came to believe there is a universal consciousness that we're all part of. Not a god, but but a connection to the consciousness of the universe. There were just too many coincidences Jung saw in his work. For instance, it's a fact that numerous mothers, and sometimes wives, knew the exact moment their son or husband died in WWI and WWII. They probably knew in the CW and other wars, but exact records weren't kept. A universal consciousness would explain this. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 22nd, 2019 at 4:50:22 AM permalink | |
| odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 154 Posts: 5097 | Bob, you impress me as someone who ... how do I put this? ... someone who is naturally a spiritual person, more so than me! Maybe this is why FrG has not given up on you. I'm not trying to make you angry but you seem to be quite ready to buy into some dubious stuff. Universal Consciouisnes, Reincarnation. I tend to think of any scientific investigations into these things to be suspect, other than to say such things cannot be declared something science shouldn't look into. I see there are two different Wikipedia pages for your topic, 'Universal Mind' and 'Panpsychism' . I might try to read those but I've got a lot on my plate at the moment. You're probably not convinced I'm not trying to make you angry, but I will go where angels fear to tread further and declare you're a person whose who's* very likely to pull an Oscar Wilde on your deathbed. Will you be quoted saying " I am simply a violent Papist" like Wilde did ?? (I made a digest from the link below) King Charles II of England ... this one is for FrG as it was a case of switching to Catholic Jean de La Fontaine ... The most famous French fabulist . Not clear to me he was an Atheist? On the list anyway Sir Allan Napier MacNab... never heard of him, but his conversion evidently is notable for being disputed Oscar Wilde ... there is a "clear and unambiguous account": ‘When I went for the priest to come to his death-bed he was quite conscious and raised his hand in response to questions and satisfied the priest, Father Cuthbert Dunne of the Passionists. It was the morning before he died and for about three hours he understood what was going on (and knew I had come from the South in response to a telegram) that he was given the last sacrament. The Passionist house in Avenue Hoche, has a house journal which contains a record, written by Dunne, of his having received Wilde into full communion with the Church. While Wilde's conversion may have come as a surprise, he had long maintained an interest in the Catholic Church, having met with Pope Pius IX in 1877 and describing the Roman Catholic Church as "for saints and sinners alone – for respectable people, the Anglican Church will do". However, how much of a believer in all the tenets of Catholicism Wilde ever was is arguable: in particular, against Ross's insistence on the truth of Catholicism: "No, Robbie, it isn't true. My position is curious," Wilde epigrammatised, "I am not a Catholic: I am simply a violent Papist." Wallace Stevens ... another disputed one. Charles Darwin ... Disputed and considered spurious since his "children denied this occurred." Björn Ironside ... notable as a pagan deathbed converter [9th century Viking king] Anne Louise Germaine de Staël-Holstein ... in case you know who she is, she's new to me. Disputed. Bobby Jones (golfer) ... not made clear but I believe his was a deathbed conversion Protestant to Catholic gotta stop here, more at the link of people obscure to me Stephen Hawkings' conversion, not listed in the linked page actually, is spurious I think we can say, you can google that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathbed_conversion *didn't notice misspelling till I was quoted I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
| October 22nd, 2019 at 10:26:24 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
These aren't speculation, these are facts. Do the research. There are hundreds of cases where mothers knew the instant a son died in a war. They told people long before they got the actual news. And this was Carl Jung's life work, you feel qualified to call him 'dubious'? Really? Scientific research into kids having memories of a past life has been going on at the U of Virginia since 1958. Thousands of cases have been examined and vetted and nobody can figure out how these kids were born with exact and provable memories of being another person. No conclusions have been drawn, but reincarnation is at the top of the list. Do some research, satisfy yourself that this is happening, and give us your explanation. I'll warn you right away that, no, the kids weren't coached. That's what most of the research entails, making 100% sure there is no way a 3 year old could know all the details of Bob Smiths life 300 miles away. That means the majority of cases get thrown out, even though they were probably legit. What's left has puzzled even the staunchest critics.
LOL! You are about as far from the truth as you can get. I have been studying this stuff since 1969 and all I get is even deeper into being an atheist. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 22nd, 2019 at 5:21:18 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
Did you read the Red Book? |
| October 22nd, 2019 at 8:22:46 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I know it's Jung's journey into the universal collective consciousness between 1913 and 1917. From excerpts I've seen it's a little over my head. He did what later scientists did with LSD, only he did it without drugs. Entered his own subconscious while in a conscious state. The book is expensive, even used. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 22nd, 2019 at 9:16:39 PM permalink | |
| Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
That's essentially correct, I read most of it in 2010, it was a beefy book, even given the fact that it featured two languages, but it was interesting. I just know when I was in college a lot of Jung fans were ecstatic when it came out in the end of 2009 early 2010 time frame. If you are a Jung fan it is worth borrowing from a library and checking out (like you said purchasing is pricey, so generally the best bet is a college library, or there may be ebook versions now I am honestly not sure, back then I got it from college library, and it was a massive book -lots of large sized illustrations-). I just remeber the huge buzz when his estate finally released a public version, very huge deal. I am not a Jung fanatic, but reading it was an interesting experience. |
| October 22nd, 2019 at 11:17:50 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Jung said a few years before he died that those years when he did the work greatly influenced the rest of his career. The original book is in a museum and is worth millions. It's so odd that it wasn't published till he'd been dead for almost 50 years. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |