Merry Christmas 2019!
December 28th, 2019 at 12:58:19 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Obviously because this one is real and historical. I know that is frustrating to you and you don't want to see it so let's just say Happy Holidays and leave it. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 28th, 2019 at 1:11:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I literally laughed out loud, good one. You don't have a scintilla of proof it's real and you know it. It's just as real as every other mythical virgin birth. Grasp the facts tightly, in your world they seem to be covered in STP and slip out of yours hands frequently.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 28th, 2019 at 1:41:51 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Biblical record, archeological evidence, historical writings, the fact that all those other crucified folks are not heard from again, that His contemporaries gave their lives to share the faith, that it is the largest religion on Earth, that billions have a personal relationship with the Resurrected Lord and you could too, and much more. In what crazy world do you live in that this does not equal a scintilla? You are deluded my friend and should really give up your crusade. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 28th, 2019 at 2:28:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Again, no proof Jesus was ever heard from. All you have is hearsay recorded decades after his death. It's proof people love to tell stories, that's all it's proof of.
Without even getting into how anybody can have a personal relationship with a dead guy, even Xtions have problems with the concept. "What exactly does it mean to have a personal relationship with Jesus? The concept itself is purely subjective; there is really no way to define it, and there is no way to observe it." So saying it is just silly and many Xtions realize it and refuse to say it and resent others who do. The scariest part about Xtionity is not that it exists at all, but how much believers vehemently disagree with each other on the finer points. When you investigate it just a little it makes you want to run fast in the other direction to where sanity lives.. Some of these people are truly unhinged. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 29th, 2019 at 8:03:33 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Bob you aren't thinking clearly about this. You have recorded documents decades after his death putting into writing the reality that so many knew and shared. It is not proof people tell stories, that is well known. It is proof that this story is real. The question you need to wrestle with is why did this story about Jesus change the world and continues to do so when so many other stories were just that, stories that didn't start the world's largest religion, overcome great persecution, and change the lives and culture of those who heard and accepted the Gospel?
One established fact is that you know and understand little of Christianity much less what Christians think and feel. Maybe your personal experience of Christianity in your own family make you feel this way but trust me you don't speak for Christianity and billions of Christians. Maybe you should just preface your comments with "in my experience" or "in my corruptted and admittedly biased view..." “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 29th, 2019 at 10:24:28 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
No it's not, and you know it's not. You think if you keep saying that, it somehow makes it true. It doesn't.
This is your go-to answer for everyone who has a different experience of Xtionity than you do. My friend the ex priest, who went to Seminary for 7 years and was an active priest for 5 years, and found the religion extremely flawed and dropped out, your explanation for his behavior is, why, he wasn't trained properly in Seminary, he had the wrong attitude going in, or whatever excuse you can think of. It's never EVER the religions fault. You always jump right to the conclusion, like you did just now, that it's the persons fault, if only they knew just a little more about the REAL Xtionity. In the meanwhile, you have whole countries in Europe that have turned their backs on the religion and have whole heartedly embraced secularism. God bless them.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 29th, 2019 at 7:25:01 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Bob I know it is true, I have given you reasons and you have not responded except for the above. Who is just repeating something and thinking by doing so it will be true? I'm just asking you to think, even if you disagree deal with the facts and the argument, don't just ignore it.
It is often the main problem. People often have a wrong view of the Church through people who lie and only want to spread falsehoods, or through the media, and especially people holding a 2nd grade understanding of the faith that feel they know it all. From what you have freely shared about your family and your ex-priest friend I think you would even admit that these things are not characteristic of Christianity as a whole. By the way how do you think secularism is going in Europe? Have you seen great improvements in culture and society there? How about here? As people become less and less religious how do you think it is impacting our culture and our country? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 29th, 2019 at 8:11:12 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I've been responding for years. You really want to go over all that tiresome material again, we've done it so many times. We've discussed Bart Ehrman and the Jesus Seminar into the ground.
No, it's more through experience and observation that people have moved away from religion. You see your religion in it's purist form and seem to ignore the way it's really practiced. The public however see's the rampant hypocrisy and has turned away in droves. You're the Corvair salesman in the 60's who loves what he's selling and still totally believes in his product even after Unsafe At Any Speed is published. Take it for a test drive, you tell people, it's totally safe.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |