Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

If I were to donate money to a PAC, it would definitely be to the Lincoln Project. They are so good at trolling Trump:



And they always do targeted ad buys in the DC market to air during Fox & Friends, ensuring that Donny will see it. They really know how to get under his thin skin.

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If I were to donate money to a PAC, it would definitely be to the Lincoln Project. They are so good at trolling Trump:

And they always do targeted ad buys in the DC market to air during Fox & Friends, ensuring that Donny will see it. They really know how to get under his thin skin.

They are good at trolling him, that is for sure.

You would have to be the stupidest person on earth to truly believe that George Floyd is a new problem created by just one fellow...Trump. That means that they are intellectually dishonest, to say the least. Hating Trump is fine and it is a right everyone has...but the left, and people like this, trying to place blame on him for an issue we have (if we listened) heard about for years, including during the Obama years is ignorant of the issue at hand, at best.

"We invited Jamil Smith, a senior writer at Rolling Stone, to read from an essay that he wrote at The New Republic more than five years ago titled "What Does Seeing Black Men Die Do for You?"

"It seems sickly fitting that those killed by police today are no longer transformed into the anointed or the condemned, but, thanks to more advanced and available technology, they become hashtags. With a flood of more videotaped killings, a hashtag seems a brutally meager epitaph, a mere declaration that a victim of police violence was once alive, human, and didn't merit having her or his life stolen.

Unfortunately, the increased visibility of trauma and death at the hands of cops isn't doing as much as it should be. The legacy of our increased exposure to black death has merely been the deadening of our collective senses.""

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/865261916/a-decade-of-watching-black-people-die

The deaths are occurring in cities that are run (and have been for years) by Democrats. There have been Republican and Democrat governments in DC. NOTHING HAS CHANGED UNDER EITHER PARTY.

Change isn't going to come without both parties working on the issue. A lot of the change that has to happen is not at the Federal level. There is nothing wrong with wanting law and order...the end of the madness from both left and right wing hate groups destroying things and hurting people while folks actually want to peacefully protest...and also wanting better policing.

Biden was in positions of power for 40 years and was part of an administration that did not stop the problem. Trump has not done enough yet to make a difference.

No matter who wins the election, the actual hard work of fixing the problem will not happen in Washington, DC. There are lots of bills turned into laws to fix things that just don't do the job. The real change needs to begin at the city and state level. How about changing the politicians running those cities and states...not necessarily from on e party to the other as much as just to better people who really want to make changes.

But yes, this is a good troll. It is also a lie in many ways.

Trump lying is wrong. So is lying about who is to blame.

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That’s an interesting way to look at it. I mean, “Interesting,” in the Minnesotan sense. You would think if H.W. had been that great, Perot’s présence wouldn’t have mattered much.

I always support you vote for the person you most want to win, don’t get me wrong. That said, if you’re a Republican voting Perot (as opposed to Bush) you’ve got to know you’re making a Clinton win more likely.

Bush41 killed himself when he folded to new taxes like a house of cards. Then he played prevent defense with his Gulf War popularity. Perot showed leadership and energy, Bush41 was showing neither. His campaign had an air of "lets get this over with." In the end Clinton won largely because he was one of only 2-3 real candidates willing to take the chance against what then looked like an unbeatable Bush. There was a SNL sketch with all the Democrats saying "I am not the man to take on George Bush." Mimicing the real thing as all the rising stars gave various excuses not to run. Had their been a real second choice, Clinton would have never survived Flowers and would just be a southern gov we forgot about.

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No matter who wins the election, the actual hard work of fixing the problem will not happen in Washington, DC. There are lots of bills turned into laws to fix things that just don't do the job. The real change needs to begin at the city and state level. How about changing the politicians running those cities and states...not necessarily from on e party to the other as much as just to better people who really want to make changes.

The first changes have to come not from government but from black society, who has put themselves in this situation. Step one is black girls have to stop letting themselves get pregnant without husbands. That is the biggest problem by far. It may be too far gone as adult blacks who experienced a nuclear family growing up are in the severe minority.

Next, blacks have to get over slavery and history. Quit acting like they are the only group history screwed over. Get over it and get on with life.

They need to start building. Need to start saving and investing. Need to get the equity that can be passed to the next generation. White America has been on to this secret for 250+ years, even if some are losing it now in never-ending equity stripping home refinances and other above-their-means lifestyles.

Alas, what will happen is hispanics will pass blacks up in wealth in the next generation. They are doing the better practices whites have done. Then the next Al Sharpton will scream "SEE! SEE! RACIST SOCIETY!" for people to lap up.

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Bush41 killed himself when he folded to new taxes like a house of cards. Then he played prevent defense with his Gulf War popularity. Perot showed leadership and energy, Bush41 was showing neither. His campaign had an air of "lets get this over with." In the end Clinton won largely because he was one of only 2-3 real candidates willing to take the chance against what then looked like an unbeatable Bush. There was a SNL sketch with all the Democrats saying "I am not the man to take on George Bush." Mimicing the real thing as all the rising stars gave various excuses not to run. Had their been a real second choice, Clinton would have never survived Flowers and would just be a southern gov we forgot about.

I'll defer to your memory on most of what you said because I've not thoroughly researched it and was not even nine years old the first time Clinton won. I guess my point was more like EB wants Clinton's win over Bush to be considered by way of technicality (he doesn't consider it an incumbent losing) or something along those lines, but it's still a loss. Presidents who are considered great generally don't even have to worry about the other major party nominee, much less a third-party candidate playing spoiler.

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I'll defer to your memory on most of what you said because I've not thoroughly researched it and was not even nine years old the first time Clinton won. I guess my point was more like EB wants Clinton's win over Bush to be considered by way of technicality (he doesn't consider it an incumbent losing) or something along those lines, but it's still a loss. Presidents who are considered great generally don't even have to worry about the other major party nominee, much less a third-party candidate playing spoiler.

It's one of those loses with an *. Like a runner who does not get the record breaker because his run was wind-aided. It was not normal thing. Like saying you came out way ahead at BJ but it was during the 2:1 on a BJ happy hour. Try it under normal conditions and the result will differ.

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It's one of those loses with an *. Like a runner who does not get the record breaker because his run was wind-aided. It was not normal thing. Like saying you came out way ahead at BJ but it was during the 2:1 on a BJ happy hour. Try it under normal conditions and the result will differ.

An asterisk for what? Having more than two theoretically viable candidates? The horror.

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And they always do targeted ad buys in the DC market to air during Fox & Friends, ensuring that Donny will see it. They really know how to get under his thin skin.

And as a direct response to this:

Trump Camp Runs Ads on D.C. Cable to Ease the Boss’ Anxieties and Buck Up Congressional GOPers

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With their boss growing increasingly agitated with the state of his re-election campaign and with the efforts of Republican critics to undermine it, President Donald Trump’s team hatched a plan. They’d run a series of hard-hitting ads and place them on networks that they knew the president and congressional Republicans would watch.

And so, over the past month, the Trump campaign has spent slightly more than $400,000 on cable news ads in the Washington, D.C., area, buying time largely on Fox News but with some smaller buys on CNN and MSNBC as well, according to filings with the Federal Communications Commission. The ads began running in late May and are scheduled through June 23. It is, on a purely electoral level, a remarkably quixotic use of campaign cash. The purchases have no real shot of moving D.C., Maryland, or Virginia into the Trump column.

It will always amuse me how some people can see this incredibly weak man as an “alpha.”

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The first changes have to come not from government but from black society, who has put themselves in this situation. Step one is black girls have to stop letting themselves get pregnant without husbands. That is the biggest problem by far. It may be too far gone as adult blacks who experienced a nuclear family growing up are in the severe minority.

Next, blacks have to get over slavery and history. Quit acting like they are the only group history screwed over. Get over it and get on with life.

They need to start building. Need to start saving and investing. Need to get the equity that can be passed to the next generation. White America has been on to this secret for 250+ years, even if some are losing it now in never-ending equity stripping home refinances and other above-their-means lifestyles.

Alas, what will happen is hispanics will pass blacks up in wealth in the next generation. They are doing the better practices whites have done. Then the next Al Sharpton will scream "SEE! SEE! RACIST SOCIETY!" for people to lap up.

Programs passed in the 60's to help have not done what was expected of them. We never talk about trying to resolve the things that went wrong.

We need a real conversation about minorities getting stopped by police and hassled in ways that does not happen to others at the same rate.

We need to work on making sure schools in all neighborhoods can educate the willing and how to handle the unwilling.

The point is that this is not a "one person" solution...it is hard work and protesting is the easiest part of it.

"Blame Trump" sounds good but the truth is that Trump is a RESULT or SYMPTOM of the lack of real work in DC by elected, appointed, and hired people of all kinds at anything more than protecting their own jobs. Perhaps they aren't "all the same"...but most of them are still in it for longevity and not action.

Quote: Mission146

An asterisk for what? Having more than two theoretically viable candidates? The horror.

Ask you guys a question, do these same voters get frozen in fear anytime they go for a bowl of cereal, but when they open the pantry, there are more than two boxes to choose from?