SCOTUS Vacancy

October 27th, 2020 at 4:54:01 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: Tanko
There may be changes in Roe V Wade, but it will not be overturned.

Even if it was overturned, abortion will reman legal in nineteen states.


Phew!

I was worried I was gonna have to stop raw dogging female porn stars in my spare time...
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
October 27th, 2020 at 5:48:09 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: ams288
Quote: Tanko
There may be changes in Roe V Wade, but it will not be overturned.

Even if it was overturned, abortion will reman legal in nineteen states.


Phew!

I was worried I was gonna have to stop raw dogging female porn stars in my spare time...


I have no direct knowledge.... but I’d bet Trump got snipped after Baron....
October 27th, 2020 at 11:20:24 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: DRich
Many people call me an abortion nut. I believe abortions should be required for all cases unless the parents can prove they can both afford the child and pass parenting aptitude tests.


I have to admit, yours is one of the most extreme positions I have ever seen.

I'm surprised your nickname is not Sir Francis who coined the phrase "nature versus nurture". One of his other famous quotes was "Men who leave their mark on the world are very often those who, being gifted and full of nervous power, are at the same time haunted and driven by a dominant idea, and are therefore within a measurable distance of insanity."


At his death in 1911 he had a reputation as a brilliant intellectual and not as a madman. But his reputation in the last century after his death was destroyed largely be a single word he invented, "eugenics".

eugenics- The study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.
October 28th, 2020 at 12:00:59 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: DRich
Many people call me an abortion nut. I believe abortions should be required for all cases unless the parents can prove they can both afford the child and pass parenting aptitude tests.


Your a commie/socialist. They
want to run everybody's
private life. Like in China with
the one child per family law.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 28th, 2020 at 7:28:22 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Evenbob
Your a commie/socialist. They
want to run everybody's
private life. Like in China with
the one child per family law.


I am pretty sure that I am not a socialist, and I don't think that I am a commie. Fortunately I have been called much worse.
We are all going to die, why procrastinate?
October 28th, 2020 at 8:05:51 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: kenarman
We might as well do away with courts if that is the case. Just hold a referendum on ever court challenge. Basically laws don't matter under your scenerio just public opinion which is always fickle and changing with the wind.

I view some rights that the people have been given as so fundamental to our country
Take the right to vote
Women could not vote and laws were passed to prevent Blacks from voting
Its a fundamental right to vote
Say if some religious nuts on the court want to take away the women's right to vote or allow laws passed to prevent Blacks from voting
Damm straight, pack the court

Its absurd to only allow rich people to have abortions.
Its absurd to not allow gay marriage.
These are now fundamental rights the majority agrees with just like a womens right to vote or a Black persons right to vote
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
October 28th, 2020 at 8:28:18 AM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: terapined
I view some rights that the people have been given as so fundamental to our country
Take the right to vote
Women could not vote and laws were passed to prevent Blacks from voting
Its a fundamental right to vote
Say if some religious nuts on the court want to take away the women's right to vote or allow laws passed to prevent Blacks from voting
Damm straight, pack the court

Its absurd to only allow rich people to have abortions.
Its absurd to not allow gay marriage.
These are now fundamental rights the majority agrees with just like a womens right to vote or a Black persons right to vote


The problem is TP is that you think that those who are appointed to the court think like you. Generally speaking they are trying to do their jobs impartially and we see many non partisan rulings. Your views of what are or are not fundamental rights are may or not have majority support among the population. The problem is that you are quite willing to bend any law that stands in the way of imposing your views on those that disagree. The judges on the court are much more balanced in their views than you. You would make a terrible judge but would be a very good dictator.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
October 28th, 2020 at 8:28:39 AM permalink
SOOPOO
Member since: Feb 19, 2014
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Quote: terapined
I view some rights that the people have been given as so fundamental to our country
Take the right to vote
Women could not vote and laws were passed to prevent Blacks from voting
Its a fundamental right to vote
Say if some religious nuts on the court want to take away the women's right to vote or allow laws passed to prevent Blacks from voting
Damm straight, pack the court

Its absurd to only allow rich people to have abortions.
Its absurd to not allow gay marriage.
These are now fundamental rights the majority agrees with just like a womens right to vote or a Black persons right to vote


There is a difference between allowing anyone to get an abortion... and having society pay for anyone to have an abortion. Your example about voting in 2020 is plain silly. No one is via a court case the SC is ruling on taking away women’s rights to vote. If THAT is what you are worrying about with the appointment of Barrett.....
October 28th, 2020 at 8:53:01 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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The platform planks on abortion were a lot less strident in 1976. Only the Republican platform uses the word "protest" and that is only with regard to parental rights. Forty years later the platforms provide us with a treatise.



We fully recognize the religious and ethical nature of the concerns which many Americans have on the subject of abortion. We feel, however, that it is undesirable to attempt to amend the U.S. Constitution to overturn the Supreme Court decision in this area.

The question of abortion is one of the most difficult and controversial of our time. It is undoubtedly a moral and personal issue but it also involves complex questions relating to medical science and criminal justice. There are those in our Party who favor complete support for the Supreme Court decision which permits abortion on demand. There are others who share sincere convictions that the Supreme Court's decision must be changed by a constitutional amendment prohibiting all abortions. Others have yet to take a position, or they have assumed a stance somewhere in between polar positions.

We protest the Supreme Court's intrusion into the family structure through its denial of the parents' obligation and right to guide their minor children. The Republican Party favors a continuance of the public dialogue on abortion and supports the efforts of those who seek enactment of a constitutional amendment to restore protection of the right to life for unborn children.



Democrats are committed to protecting and advancing reproductive health, rights, and justice. We believe unequivocally, like the majority of Americans, that every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion—regardless of where she lives, how much money she makes, or how she is insured. We believe that reproductive health is core to women's, men's, and young people's health and wellbeing. We will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers, which provide critical health services to millions of people. We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman's access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment. We condemn and will combat any acts of violence, harassment, and intimidation of reproductive health providers, patients, and staff. We will defend the ACA, which extends affordable preventive health care to women, including no-cost contraception, and prohibits discrimination in health care based on gender.

We will address the discrimination and barriers that inhibit meaningful access to reproductive health care services, including those based on gender, sexuality, race, income, disability, and other factors. We recognize that quality, affordable comprehensive health care, evidence-based sex education and a full range of family planning services help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.

We will support sexual and reproductive health and rights around the globe. In addition to expanding the availability of affordable family planning information and contraceptive supplies, we believe that safe abortion must be part of comprehensive maternal and women's health care and included as part of America's global health programming. Therefore, we support the repeal of harmful restrictions that obstruct women's access to health care information and services, including the "global gag rule" and the Helms Amendment that bars American assistance to provide safe, legal abortion throughout the developing world.


We oppose the use of public funds to perform or promote abortion or to fund organizations, like Planned Parenthood, so long as they provide or refer for elective abortions or sell fetal body parts rather than provide healthcare. We urge all states and Congress to make it a crime to acquire, transfer, or sell fetal tissues from elective abortions for research, and we call on Congress to enact a ban on any sale of fetal body parts. In the meantime, we call on Congress to ban the practice of misleading women on so-called fetal harvesting consent forms, a fact revealed by a 2015 investigation. We will not fund or subsidize healthcare that includes abortion coverage.

We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from individuals with disabilities, newborns, the elderly, or the infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide.
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We believe the FDA's approval of Mifeprex, a dangerous abortifacient formerly known as RU-486, threatens women's health, as does the agency's endorsement of over-the-counter sales of powerful contraceptives without a physician's recommendation. We support cutting federal and state funding for entities that endanger women's health by performing abortions in a manner inconsistent with federal or state law.
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China's behavior has negated the optimistic language of our last platform concerning our future relations with China. The liberalizing policies of recent decades have been abruptly reversed, dissent brutally crushed, religious persecution heightened, the internet crippled, a barbaric population control two-child pDemocraticolicy of forced abortions and forced sterilizations continued, and the cult of Mao revived.
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The U.N.'s Population Fund has, from its origin, been rooted in no-growth policies that limit economic development in the countries needing it most. Its complicity in China's barbaric program of forced abortion led President Reagan to set a wall of separation — his Mexico City Policy, which prohibits the granting of federal monies to non-governmental organizations that provide or promote abortion.
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We condemn the Supreme Court's activist decision in Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt striking down commonsense Texas laws providing for basDemocraticic health and safety standards in abortion clinics.

We applaud the U.S. House of Representatives for leading the effort to add enforcement to the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act by passing the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which imposes appropriate civil and criminal penalties on healthcare providers who fail to provide treatment and care to an infDemocraticant who survives an abortion, including early induction delivery whether the death of the infant is intended. We strongly oppose infanticide. Over a dozen states have passed Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Acts prohibiting abortion after twenty weeks, the point at which current medical research shows that unborn babies can feel excruciating pain during abortions, and we call on Congress to enact the federal version. Not only is it good legislation, but it enjoys the support of a majority of the American people. We support state and federal efforts against the cruelest forms of abortion, especially dismemberment abortion procedures, in which unborn babies are literally torn apart limb from limb.

We call on Congress to ban sex-selection abortions and abortions based on disabilities — discrimination in its most lethal form. We oppose embryonic stem cell research. We oppose federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. We support adult stem cell research and urge the restoration of the national placental stem cell bank created by President George H.W. Bush but abolished by his Democrat successor, President Bill Clinton. We oppose federal funding for harvesting embryos and call for a ban on human cloning.Democratic

The Democratic Party is extreme on abortion. Democrats' almost limitless support for abortion, and their strident opposition to even the most basic restrictions on abortion, put them dramatically out of step with the American people. Because of their opposition to simple abortion clinic safety procedures, support for taxpayer-funded abortion, and rejection of pregnancy resource centers that provide abortion alternatives, the old Clinton mantra of "safe, legal, and rare" has been reduced to just "legal." We are proud to be the party that protects human life and offers real solutions for women.
October 28th, 2020 at 9:07:43 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: SOOPOO
There is a difference between allowing anyone to get an abortion... and having society pay for anyone to have an abortion. Your example about voting in 2020 is plain silly. No one is via a court case the SC is ruling on taking away women’s rights to vote. If THAT is what you are worrying about with the appointment of Barrett.....


Its an example
Back in the day, a lot of people did not agree that Woman and Blacks should have the right to vote
Now its a no brainer
Generations from now, being against abortion and gay marriage will be just as unthinkable just as people now think being against a Womens or Blacks right to vote today is unthinkable
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"