The Biden Presidency 2021

January 14th, 2021 at 2:06:59 PM permalink
ams288
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Let’s have another bet. I will bet you any amount you can afford that if the Republicans take the house in 2022 (unlikely, but possible) that Biden is not impeached before 1/20/2025. Bet is only active if Republicans have majority after 2022 election, and Biden is still President on 1/1 2023.


Depends on the margin the GOP takes the House by.

If it’s a squeaker, it’s way less likely. If they get a reasonable sized majority a la the Dems in 2018, then the inmates will be running the asylum and it will probably happen.
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January 14th, 2021 at 2:29:50 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Depends on the margin the GOP takes the House by.

If it’s a squeaker, it’s way less likely. If they get a reasonable sized majority a la the Dems in 2018, then the inmates will be running the asylum and it will probably happen.


I both hope and think you would be wrong. If they found 10 Republicans to actually impeach Trump, then how much easier would it be to find 10 Republicans to not impeach Biden, of course assuming there is no real reason to impeach him. Remember, even if it is found out some of his previous dealings with foreign countries were shady, those are not impeachable offenses as they occurred before he took office.

Biden is too respected by too many of the career politicians. Hard to imagine enough to impeach under any circumstance.

My son thinks Republicans will take the House in 2022 election. I think the damage Trump has done to the Republican Party is woefully underestimated. So I think Dems easily retain control.
January 14th, 2021 at 2:34:51 PM permalink
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The next republican primary could be interesting.

Will the people who spoke out against trump be replaced by trumpers, or will the trumpers be the ones who lose?
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January 14th, 2021 at 3:01:28 PM permalink
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The next republican primary could be interesting.

Will the people who spoke out against trump be replaced by trumpers, or will the trumpers be the ones who lose?


I think we may get Trump supporters enacting some revenge in the election vote, but not necessarily going as far as trying to put Trump in power again.

For instance, I'd have no trouble not voting for someone who helped Trump win against HIllary, but I'm not ever planning on giving Hillary another shot at the Presidency if I can avoid it, though I don't think she will ever run again.
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January 14th, 2021 at 4:38:17 PM permalink
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My son thinks Republicans will take the House in 2022 election. I think the damage Trump has done to the Republican Party is woefully underestimated. So I think Dems easily retain control.


The only "damage" will be if the establishment GOP keeps dissing the Trump voters. Consider the Democrats only hold things by a whisker, realignment of districts will hurt the Democrats, the POTUS party effectively always loses seats in the midterms, and we will be dealing with the Biden Depression by then.

Trump got more votes than any GOP candidate in history and the GOP picked up seats in the House. What "damage?" Please quit reading Time.
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January 14th, 2021 at 5:57:51 PM permalink
ams288
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Trump got more votes than any GOP candidate in history and the GOP picked up seats in the House. What "damage?"


Losing the House, Senate and Presidency in the span of four years. Duh.
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January 14th, 2021 at 7:41:32 PM permalink
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Losing the House, Senate and Presidency in the span of four years. Duh.
. Well other than that.... They also lost NY Senate in 2018 if you want to add that.
January 15th, 2021 at 6:58:15 AM permalink
Mission146
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Any segmenting of, or division within, the party constitutes damage.

Trump may have set a record for GOP POTUS votes, but he still got mightily trounced in the popular vote...just like Republicans always do. The last time a first-term Republican POTUS won the popular vote was 1988. The only time a Republican has won nationwide popular vote since then is 2004. It's also worth mentioning that W. was running for reelection against a half-breeding of Jay Leno and a medium-sized tree...who got his personality from the tree's side.

What they really have to get figured out is whether or not these Trumpers are temporary. Strictly Party of Trump people who couldn't spell, "Republican," much less know what that theoretically represents---other than the fact that Donald Trump claims to be one.

I tend to think a large percentage of them ARE temporary. If nothing else, the GOP should STRONGLY consider using the Senate to prevent Trump from running for future office. What I could see happening is that Trump runs for the Republican nomination in 2024, and IF he loses, could end up running as an Independent. Unless the Democrats successfully win enough states for an Electoral College majority, what you're going to have is a three-way race right to Congress deciding. Of course, Congress will ultimately pass on another four years of Trump, but that wouldn't be Trump's plan. His plan would be to screw over the GOP by having Democrats win.

What you are left with is basically Trumpers and a small percentage of longterm Republicans who have joined the Trump zeitgeist. The problem is that you might not want to lose the strictly Trumpers, but at the same time, you figure that Trump would get demoralized in the 2024 popular vote and almost certainly lose.

So, you have to get the Trumpers on board with you and try to retain the people you already had. In the meantime, you know you're already extremely screwed when it comes to 2024, no matter what you do, unless something changes.

Trump is currently sub-40% in approval rating to close this bad boy out AND a recent poll (assuming it can be trusted) would have 56% of all Americans who believe he should be barred from any possible future holding of office.

I mean, Trump's not going to win in 2024. It's just that plain and friggin' simple. To the extent he wants to be a, "Kingmaker," that might really be more like the kiss of death, at this point. It's a good thing for them they have three(ish) years to prepare, because this is one hell of a mess they have on their hands.
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January 15th, 2021 at 12:54:26 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Any segmenting of, or division within, the party constitutes damage.


The thing is, the GOP is going thru a generational change. Democrats are except they fixed the primaries for their last old-school guy. The GOP change is rooted in Sarah Palin's plain talk and outsider image. Her, and to a lesser extent Perot, were the genesis for Trump.

The Democrats are in a shift towards full on, no excuses socialism. They have had this wing take charge in times like 1972 and the Bernie wing. But it is now in the mainstream of the party.

A bigger shift will be potential redraws of state borders. Southern Tire of NY to PA. Rural VA to MD. Eastern OR to ID. Coastal CA goes their own way.
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January 16th, 2021 at 7:55:16 AM permalink
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