Getting real tired of Kamala Harris already.

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I vote Libertarian.

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I've voted Libertarian pretty much all my adult life.

In college I met and talked at length with some high Libertarian mucky-muck and found value in what he said.

If I had to choose I'd probably opt to vote Republican, but I don't hate the Democrats: I am basically fiscally conservative and socially moderate.

Quote: missedhervee

I've voted Libertarian pretty much all my adult life.

In college I met and talked at length with some high Libertarian mucky-muck and found value in what he said.

If I had to choose I'd probably opt to vote Republican, but I don't hate the Democrats: I am basically fiscally conservative and socially moderate.

I'm more of your States-Rights brand of Libertarian.

When you get past what level of Government should be doing what, I am fiscally moderate and socially very liberal.

Here's where I end up on this one:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=4.13&soc=-5.49

Economic Left/Right: Right 4.13

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: Libertarian -5.49

ISideWith is better, in my opinion. I don't feel like doing it again right this second, but here are my results from another thread last year:

http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/3246/0/

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Check it out:

https://www.isidewith.com/

I love this one! Here are my results:

2020 Presidential Candidates:

Libertarian Jo Jorgensen-82%
American Solidarity Brian Carroll-64%
Green-Howie Hawkins-53%
Republican Donald Trump-46%
Democrat Joe Biden-46%

And, party agreement:

Libertarian-92%
Transhumanist-76%
Constitution-73%
Socialist-64%
Green-61%
Republican 57%
Peace and Freedom 48%
Democratic 46%

Okay, let's see your results!

DISCLAIMERS: I imagine I score well with Green because of issues unrelated to the environment. I imagine my Republican score is so high BECAUSE OF issues related to the environment. My environmental position can be summarized as, "Complete and total apathy."

I could be libertarian, except I don't believe in encouraging post-behavior responsibility.

For instance I see cigarette taxes as a good pre-behavior responsibility. Yeah, you have cancer and bad health, but collectively taxes help offset it.

Whereas, gun crime? Pro gunners talk about freedom and nothing but post-behavior responsibility. If you commit gun crime there's no guarantee you have the resources to pay for all the damage you cause. And when you don't have it, everyone else must pay.

People talk about their right to freedom. Would it be freedom if car rental companies had to let you rent a luxury car without knowing that you're covered up front by insurance or some other arrangement? No. And they would be stupid to do it. Getting you put in jail because you couldn't pay for something doesn't pay the bill to the rental company. So, as a solution, it's pretty poor, IMO.

Too many people want to squeeze the poor and make sure they don't get any meager ill-gotten gains, but start screaming about freedom when, for instance it should be a requirement for health insurance and not just optional that they have enough coverage for what happens to them.

Quote: rxwine

Would it be freedom if car rental companies had to let you rent a luxury car without knowing that you're covered up front by insurance or some other arrangement? No. And they would be stupid to do it. Getting you put in jail because you couldn't pay for something doesn't pay the bill to the rental company. So, as a solution, it's pretty poor, IMO.

Freedom has nothing to do with a private transaction like a rental car.

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Freedom has nothing to do with a private transaction like a rental car.

Translation, you can't offer any real argument.

Quote: rxwine

Translation, you can't offer any real argument.

It is a silly statement. Freedom comes from your creator and infringes on nobody else. Forcing a private person to rent a car to someone is not "freedom" it is the exact opposite.

Quote: AZDuffman

It is a silly statement. Freedom comes from your creator and infringes on nobody else. Forcing a private person to rent a car to someone is not "freedom" it is the exact opposite.

Most conservatives (and people in general) use way more government resources long before they ever pay for it. Have you paid 3 million in taxes yet in your whole lifetime?

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Construct a new 2-lane undivided road – about $2 million to $3 million per mile in rural areas, about $3 million to $5 million in urban areas.

Were you free to steal all the tax money to build that or not?

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Most conservatives (and people in general) use way more government resources long before they ever pay for it. Have you paid 3 million in taxes yet in your whole lifetime?

For instance,

Were you free to steal all the tax money to build that or not?

I do not "steal" the road. I use my portion as do the cars before me and after me. As my money was stolen in the form of taxes I have no issues in using it.

I am seriously though not at all following what you are asking.

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I do not "steal" the road. I use my portion as do the cars before me and after me. As my money was stolen in the form of taxes I have no issues in using it.

I am seriously though not at all following what you are asking.

My original point is I’m not a libertarian, unless libertarian is one who believes risk can’t be mitigated by just an honor system. A conservative would say he is not free if he has a mandatory payment for health insurance. He wants us to think it is freedom to be on an honor system without knowing whether he could pay for himself being a quadriplegic for instance.

No guaranteed payment is not freedom, but a con job, just like it would be if a rental car agency let you give just your word that you could pay for that luxury car if you wreck it.