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Hydrogen Powered Cars available in California
| April 19th, 2021 at 12:14:22 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |  This latest crash makes you think about spending $50K on a hydrogen car instead of an $80K on a Tesla Model S. The crash combined several concerns, A) the difficulty of putting out a battery fire (took 32,000 gallons of water as batteries kept reigniting) B) the fear of being burned alive (2 men were alive after the crash) C) the stupidity of trusting autopilot (they were in the passenger seat and the back seat (autopilot is not self driving mode) |
| April 19th, 2021 at 2:13:47 AM permalink | |
| odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 154 Posts: 5098 | whoa! that's a hydrogen burner or a Tessla or what? here's a Tessla story where 2 didn't survive https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/business/tesla-fatal-crash-texas.html I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
| April 19th, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
It's an older battery powered Tesla, one that cost about $80K.The vehicles that cost in the $35K to $60K range are only since Feb 2019. The batteries kept reigniting and the two men died painfully. It is the same accident that was in your link. A hydrogen car wouldn't burn like that. They are being sold in California for $50K with $15K credit towards fuel and 21 days of free automobile rental for driving out of state. I was suggesting that if you must have a zero emission vehicle, perhaps a hydrogen car would be safer. However, the primary story is not to ignore the written advice that the autopilot is a driver's aid, and not for a self-driving car. |
| April 20th, 2021 at 4:22:25 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |  A fire at a hydrogen refueling station outside of Oslo Norway curtailed the sales of almost all hydrogen cars at the nation. Since Norway is going to ban the sale of all new cars except those with zero emissions (no hybrids) in the year 2025 (the earliest country to do so), and the cold climate hinders battery performance, they are obviously a lucrative prospect for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. The problemwas an incorrectly mounted plug in a hydrogen tank in a high-pressure storage tank. This leak produced a mixture of hydrogen and air that ignited. |
| June 16th, 2021 at 3:08:51 AM permalink | |
| Tanko Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 0 Posts: 1978 | Hydrogen powered trains made by the French company Alstrom are carrying passengers in Europe. The trains reclaim energy from braking, which is stored in onboard batteries, and have a range of 1,000 kilometers, or about 620 miles. Siemans, Hitachi and Stadler are also building hydrogen trains. Next will be busses, then cars. |
| June 16th, 2021 at 7:51:36 AM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4493 |
Are the vehicles in Norway mostly fuel cells or combustion engines? "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| June 16th, 2021 at 10:10:06 AM permalink | |
| missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 96 Posts: 3099 | Lest we forget ...  |
| June 17th, 2021 at 8:18:21 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Impossible to ever forget.
The realistic fact is that you will be able to drive 2022 battery EV models of nearly a dozens makes from BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagon, Tesla, Nissan, Subaru, Honda, Mazda,Toyota, Ford, Chevrolet as well as several start ups. A hydrogen car is over $50K and has the acceleration of a Prius and you can only drive it in California and fuel is ultra expensive.  |