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Why aren't battery power vehicles cheaper?
| May 15th, 2021 at 9:49:13 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18761 | You could do fairly long commutes if you could charge it while at work, for instance. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| May 15th, 2021 at 10:03:34 AM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4508 |
The utilities plan to handle the increased load is based on mostly night charging. If significant charging occurs during the day when their demand is high it will make it even more difficult to ramp up the grid. In order to allow existing buildings and electrical services to manage significant numbers of cars the electrical code is already mandating the use of 'Electric Vehicle Charging Management Systems'. These systems will be used at apartments, office buildings and any other place with a large number of charging stations. To allow all the stations to run and not overload the buildings main service the system will monitor the buildings load and shut down/slow down stations as required. So you go to drive home on a extra hot day and the buildings A/C will have used all the power. You might then not have enough charge to get home. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| May 15th, 2021 at 1:39:57 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
MSRP from $36,620 - Chevrolet Bolt EV has a 60 kWh battery and is rated for 259 miles. On average an American drives 290 miles in a 7 day week. The EV customer who has a garage and enough electrical service to charge at night should be no problem for utilities. Even though the average price of a new car is now over $40,000, the luxury BMW starts at an MSRP from $35,400. So once the federal credit of $7,500 expires, the Chevrolet Bolt will be out of the price range for roughly half the present day vehicle customers. These vehicles offer less range, but are not dramatically less expensive. MSRP from $29,990 Nissan LEAF S 40 kWh 150 miles $30,750 Mini Cooper SE Hardtop 2 door 33 kWh 110 miles $33,045 Hyundai IONIQ Electric 38 kWh 170 miles New vehicles are often very limited, but in the past they were particularly inexpensive
The Toyota C+pod is a two-seater battery electric kei car manufactured by Toyota. It will be sold to individual customers in 2022 Due to its dimensions, it qualifies under the kei car dimension category in Japan. Electric motor 12 hp Battery 9.06 kWh lithium-ion Electric range 150 km (93 mi) Wheelbase (70.1 in) Length (98.0 in) Width (50.8 in) Height (61.0 in) Curb weight (1,477–1,521 lb) |
| May 15th, 2021 at 6:24:37 PM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4965 |
Math is hard. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| May 15th, 2021 at 8:14:44 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4508 |
It's the new math my grandson taught it to me. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| May 17th, 2021 at 2:37:26 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Volkswagon is advertising their first electric car as "for the millions, not for millionaires".  VolkswagenMSRP From $18,995 2021 Volkswagen Jetta From $23,195 2021 Volkswagen Golf only the GTI will be sold in the US in 2022 From $23,995 2021 Volkswagen Passat From $25,245 2021 Volkswagen Tiguan From $26,345 2021 Volkswagen Jetta GLI From $28,695 2021 Volkswagen Golf GTI From $31,545 2021 Volkswagen Atlas From $36,995 2021 Volkswagen Arteon From $39,995 2021 Volkswagen ID.4 It still seems to be the most expensive car in the lineup. Electric cars are supposed to have 20 moving parts instead of ~200 for an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle. We were told when the batteries got close to $100 per kWh (which they are close to) that it would be cheaper to build an EV than an ICE vehicle, It doesn't seem to be happening! |
| May 17th, 2021 at 3:17:31 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18207 |
The bad news is it only runs in electric when the EPA is looking, then it reverts to gasoline. The President is a fink. |
| May 17th, 2021 at 5:59:18 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4508 |
Ha Ha "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| May 17th, 2021 at 7:55:26 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
In January 2020, Toyota passed the milestone of more than 15 million hybrid electric vehicles (HEV) sales worldwide since the Prius was first launched in 1997. Most of these run gasoline and electric simultaneously, although some plug - in models run electric first and then gasoline. Although Toyota is going to begin building battery electric vehicles next year, it is not deviating from it's stated goal of having a hybrid variant of every model it sells in the US. Right now it has 17 hybrid models it sells in the US including 6 models under the Lexus brand. Toyota firmly believes that every single vehicle cannot operate solely on batteries. A third of the new car sales in California are Toyota & Lexus, plus Honda and Acura. Right now that has to be at least 50 models. By the year 2035 they may have a dozen or so Battery Electric Vehicles. Currently there are nine states that have adopted California’s ZEV regulations (as well as low-emission vehicle regulations): Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont. Together with California, these states represent nearly 30 percent of new car sales in the United States. Maine and New Jersey voted Republican once in the post Reagan era (for Bush in 1988). The other states have not voted Republican for POTUS since Reagan's 2nd term. Probably the one state that could more realistically switch to EVs is Oregon which has 1.5 million vehicles and tons of plentiful hydroelectric power. California has almost 15 million vehicles and expensive electricity and rolling blackouts. Obviously these states lean Democratic, but it is difficult to believe there won't be some kind of class warfare if they stop selling gasoline powered vehicles. It might change the face of politics. |
| May 18th, 2021 at 7:54:29 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18761 | This is from a Popular Mechanics article this week. Not sure if the Harvard researchers have the actual prototype. It can last 10 times longer than lithium ion batteries and fully charge in 10 minutes. Lithium metal battery. Previously, they hadn’t kept LM batteries from exploding in previous incarnations. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |