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Why aren't battery power vehicles cheaper?
| May 18th, 2021 at 9:01:38 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
 The Bolloré Bluecar is a small Italian four-seat, three-door electric car . The car has a 30kWh lithium metal polymer (LMP) battery, coupled to a supercapacitor, that provides an electric range of 160 mi in urban use, and a maximum speed of 75 mph.
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| May 18th, 2021 at 9:45:07 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18758 |
If I remember correctly the Harvard cycle range is said to be estimated at 10,000! You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| May 18th, 2021 at 10:57:59 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
I don't think that means they got 10,000 charge-discharge cycles out of a single battery. -------------------------------- Still, Elon Tesla has managed to sell 100,000 Lithium-ion home use Powerwalls for $6500 apiece before installations (251.3 lb dimensions 45.3 in × 29.6 in × 5.75 in). The warranty for a Powerwall is only for 37.8 MWh of aggregate throughput. In Pennsylvania we pay $4,098 for 37.8 mWh of electricity. The Powerwall literally makes no economic sense. as it costs more to fill and empty without even consideration of where you get the power in the first place. Forbes conclusion was "...Tesla's Powerwall Is Just Another Toy For Rich Green People." Possibly in Hawaii where 37.8 mWh costs $10,856 is there a remote possibility that the Powerwall makes sense. Maybe in the future a Lithium-metal home battery will make some sense if they can get the warranty amount to something reasonable for a similar capital outlay. |
| May 19th, 2021 at 10:00:46 AM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 | F150 Lightning unveiled tonight I'm a big F150 fan Pretty excited about this This could be a game changer Going after the pickup customer that generally is not interested in green But Are interested in key specs such as how much you can tow and how far. With good numbers , may attract that lucrative pickup crowd. Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| May 19th, 2021 at 1:30:08 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
ICE engines 2021 Ford Mustang/MSRP From $27,155 and starts at 310 hp. 2021 Ford F-150/MSRP From $28,940 and starts at 255 hp. The lowest level electric Mustang has an MSRP Starting At $ 42,895 (As low as $35,395 after Federal Tax Credit) 266 HP (RWD/eAWD) Standard Range (68kWh battery ) 230 miles (RWD) 211 miles (eAWD) - EPA-Est. Performance 0-60 mph 5.8 seconds (RWD) 5.2 seconds (eAWD) Ford is probably going to use the same motor in the F-150 lightning, but will offer higher performance motors as well. |
| May 19th, 2021 at 6:26:20 PM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4963 |
I was surprised to read today that the new Ford Bronco comes standard with a three cylinder engine. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| May 19th, 2021 at 9:42:57 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
They had 3 cylinder engines over three decades ago in an effort to build very fuel efficient engines. The manual Geo Metro 32 years earlier had roughly same fuel economy as a present day automatic Toyota Prius but with less performance. MPG:47 1989 Geo Metro 1.0 L, 3 cyl, Manual 5-spd Combined 2.1 gal/100mi Acceleration 0 - 60 mph 19 sec | Max 87 mph MPG:34 1989 Geo Metro LSI 1.0 L, 3 cyl, Automatic 3-spd Combined 2.9 gal/100mi Acceleration 0 - 60 mph 13.5 sec MPG:41 2001 Toyota Prius 1.5 L, 4 cyl, Automatic VGR Combined 2.4 gal/100mi Acceleration 0 - 60 mph 13 sec | Max 99 mph MPG:52 2021 Toyota Prius 1.8 L, 4 cyl, Automatic VGR Combined 1.9 gal/100mi Acceleration 0 - 60 mph 11 sec | Max 112 mph A JOKE NO MORE: WHY THE THREE-CYLINDER ENGINE IS THE NEXT BIG (LITTLE) THING IN PERFORMANCE DECEMBER 23, 2020 Story By Mike Garrett This latest crop led by Ford are turbo three cylinder engines which have enough horsepower. 2021 Ford Bronco Sport 4WD Tank Size 16.0 gallons 1.5 L, 3 cyl, Automatic 8-spd, Turbo Combined MPG:26 MPG 3.8 gal/100mi 416 miles 2.0 L, 4 cyl, Automatic (S8), Turbo Combined MPG:23 MPG 4.3 gal/100mi 368 miles |
| May 20th, 2021 at 2:40:40 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
I have a few times had arguments with people who insisted the Yugo had a 3 cylinder. It had a 1.0 or 1.1 liter four, I forget the exact displacement. The Chevy Sprint was the first 3 I had ever heard of. I think the issue is the odd number of cylinders is harder to balance. Question would be is it effectively a V-6 cut in half or a L6 cut in half? A V-6 is hard to balance, an L6 is the smoothest engine you can get. So it must be that they finally have figured that the weight, parts, and space savings are worth it for the hassle of getting it balanced. The President is a fink. |
| May 20th, 2021 at 5:39:16 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Ford's 1.0-liter EcoBoost 3-cylinder engine first available in 2012 in the Ford Focus and C-Max, is the smallest the company has ever built for use in a car, but packs 100+ horsepower of muscle. Ford says the output of the little engine is equivalent to what many 1.6-liter 4-bangers are getting now. Except with much better mileage numbers.  |
| May 20th, 2021 at 6:40:52 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 | I saw that thing on a table at an auto show. I thought it was a model at first. The President is a fink. |