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I am more neutral toward suicide, except it seems unduly harsh to criminalize it (or its attempt).

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You'd also have been a more fun Suicide Squad character.

Well, maybe not more fun than Will Smith.

You are speaking Greek to me. I have no idea what any of that is referring to. Surprisingly, I do know who Will Smith is.

I was thinking Japan might have more opportunity to jump off high buildings.

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The most common method among both genders in Japan was hanging, followed by jumping from a high place. In the United States, it was firearms among both genders, followed by hanging among males and drugs among females.

This study was from 2004, so long time ago.

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/14/6/14_6_187/_pdf

Japan has a tradition we don't have: it was long honorable to commit suicide in some circumstances and probably that still has some followers, maybe a lot

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Japan has a tradition we don't have: it was long honorable to commit suicide in some circumstances and probably that still has some followers, maybe a lot

I don't know if that makes for more suicides, but it certainly adds variety.

My dad worked for awhile at Bally's in AC and he told us there were some episodes of people killing themselves in the casino.

Jumping or gun, usually.

One can only hope a gunshot suicide would leave a generous tip for the maid / haz mat team but hey, he lost it all so sayonara, baby.

What fools these mortals be.

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I don't know if that makes for more suicides, but it certainly adds variety.

It does Japan has a massive problem, even post WWII (since WWII years are not fair to count as for the mass "encouraged" suicides for lack of a better term), Japan is always ahead of America per capita. At its best its over 2X America, generally well over 3X (again per capita not raw numbers). In both countries its a mostly male problem. America has a high rate, but relatively steady since the end of WWII, Japan has some pretty insane spikes (often surrounding periods of crisis or financial issues that probably caused many men to lose face). America has had smaller fluctuations, but nothing along the same lines (America's worst, would be at least 2X better than Japan's best going back to any year since WWII).

Of course we don't have data from many countries for 2021 or even fully 2020, so COVID may have caused some changes in both countries (people say that suicide went up many places, which would not surprise me in Japan or America).

The biggest difference is culture (and religion). In America we are constantly drilled since Elementary school that suicide is a cowards way out, is selfish, and you will leave things worse for your family regardless of what your circumstance and what your plans are. Also, in Christianity suicide is also shamed, so people who go to Church hear this twice over. In Japan the attitude historically has been very different, in fact almost the polar opposite (death before dishonor), most Japanese are not Christians (in fact almost none). And, likewise in some forms of Buddhism suicide is praised (look at what the Kamikazes were taught to take a war example), so its a mix of culture and religion (even the Dalai Lama for how awesome as he is, at least compared to many religious figures will not make a statement against political suicides, even current ones in Tibet, it was the same during the self-immolations during the Vietnam War), Shinto is largely the same as fare as suicide acceptance goes (and they are the two most popular beliefs in Japan).

Dr. Kavorkian was a hero in my book. Finally a few states assist those needing to check out, "Physician-assisted death or "medical aid in dying" is legal in eleven jurisdictions: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington." I had two friends that went that way, it took weeks in Oregon to get it done, the other was his father who couldn't get compassionate assistance and finally had to starve himself to death because he didn't have a terminal diagnosis. It would be hard to say he wasn't on his way out in his condition and misery with neuropathy from diabetes and physical misery with pain at 92 years of age. He freely of sound mind told his doctors he wanted their help in assisting his death, but they wouldn't do it without a terminal diagnosis.

It seems to me that we should treat our old people with as much dignity as we do our favorite house pets. With much agony several of us have taken the family dog or cat into the vet to have them euthanized and the pets do down very quickly without it seems even a whimper.

Women go down to abortion clinics and terminate fetus's without much trouble. Grampa's ready to go, ffs, don't make him continue suffering or making a big mess all over the place that someone has to clean up. We need some soylent green facility's to help our old worn citizens get out of pain. IMO.

As a result the Japanese suicides help to cull the herd, removing those who fail or feel they've failed: that is probably not a bad thing.

I often wish that those homeless roadside beggars in America got the notion to kill themselves, recognizing that they've failed in epic fashion, contribute nothing of value, and are a blight and an embarrassment to the rest of us who have kept our act together.

Natural selection, baby: let mother nature work.

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I often wish that those homeless roadside beggars in America got the notion to kill themselves, recognizing that they've failed in epic fashion, .

Many many of them do not feel that way at all. They are
living exactly the life they want to live. No responsibilities,
nobody telling them what to do, suckling off the tit of
social welfare programs, getting drunk and high as often
as they like. For many of them this is a life of success and
freedom. Sure there are people scattered among them
who don't want to be there, but for the most part the
majority of homeless people are that way because that's
how they want to live. Of course I'm not including the
mentally impaired but that's a whole different subject.