Toyota calls BS to 50% battery electric vehicles by 2030
September 10th, 2021 at 8:36:17 AM permalink | |
Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 | And, let's be clear, it's a market that Ford isn't even bothering to try to compete in. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
September 10th, 2021 at 8:43:20 AM permalink | |
Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
Don't forget that it's smaller, which people like me just generally prefer. I'm more comfortable parking a sedan. If you think I need room, I sit with my back straight and my knees maybe a quarter of an inch under the steering wheel. I don't know that it rides better in the sense of being smoother, but I think it handles better when it comes to turning.
I used to have a PT Cruiser, which really isn't far off from being a crossover. It might have even been called one (Chrysler actually classified it as a truck, but that was because they needed to get the average MPG of their truck line up to meet some federal standard) had the term really been popular yet. In fact, I think some places refer to it as a, "Compact Crossover," now. It was fine, I guess, but the turning radius was awful. I didn't mind parking it. Forget about ever making a U-Turn in the darned thing; that's not happening. That's another thing I like about sedans, excellent for no second stop (or slow down) U-Turns. Why? Because they are small and turn tightly. I'm at the point where I go with what I prefer to actually drive than comfort, for now, but like I said, my knees will decide when that changes. I think I can ride out my current Elantra and then I've probably got one new sedan left in my knees. Probably looking at a mid-size SUV or passenger truck as I enter my 50's. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
September 10th, 2021 at 8:54:39 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4941 |
Wow, I find that shocking. I thought the Toyota Tacoma was a huge seller. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
September 10th, 2021 at 9:01:56 AM permalink | |
Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
It's true. Chevy sold 126,591 Silverado units just in the first quarter, compare to Toyota YTD 183,161 total trucks as of June; 139,296 were Tacomas. The only other truck is the Tundra. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |
September 10th, 2021 at 9:18:01 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
Imports have had a harder time in trucks. Part the chicken tax. But the other part is because pre-1990s to be in the "truck department" at the big 3 was a backwater, the smart guys got put in cars. Upper management left the truck guys alone. So the truck guys built what the customer liked while the car guys were using all kinds of scientific management instead of instinct. The President is a fink. |
September 10th, 2021 at 9:18:08 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4941 |
Clearly this is a regional thing. On the west coast I will see 5 Tacoma's for every Silverado I see. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
September 10th, 2021 at 9:34:39 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Chevrolet is the last American brand that was selling a significant number of cars led by the Malibu. The Malibu production was completely destroyed by the chip shortage. Chevy sales 1st and 2nd quarter of 2021 (cars add up to 11%, while the Silverado is roughly one third of sales) 31,886 Chevrolet Malibu 20,288 Chevrolet Bolt 19,260 Chevrolet Spark 14,584 Chevrolet Corvette 9,880 Chevrolet Camaro 1,512 Chevrolet Sonic 714 Chevrolet Impala 98,124 Chevrolet car sales 291,321 Chevrolet Silverado 118,667 Chevrolet Equinox 83,431 Chevrolet Traverse 39,854 Chevrolet Blazer 38,859 Chevrolet Colorado 29,429 Chevrolet Express 61,460 Chevrolet Suburban 50,935 Chevrolet Tahoe 48,368 Chevrolet TrailBlazer 35,048 Chevrolet Trax 895,496 Total Chevrolet
Yes indeed that it is true. Nearly every Asian manufacturer still makes cars. One executive predicted two days ago that there will never be a significant EV sedan. “Electrification will kill the three-box sedan for several reasons,” Gorden Wagener told TopGear during the Munich motor show. “Aero is one. Secondly, with a six-inch battery pack a three-box sedan simply doesn’t look good, it looks s***. You have to do something that visually digests the height.” |
September 10th, 2021 at 10:08:10 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Rented one in Vegas shortly after they came out. Worst car I ever drove. Took it on the freeway to go downtown with the air going full blast and could not get it to go over 50 miles an hour. I got off the freeway and took it back and got a real car. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 10th, 2021 at 10:27:36 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Yes it is a Western US regional preference. Nationwide, Toyota pickups are fairly distant from the big 3. First 6 months of 2021 sales 362,031 Ford F-Series 313,069 Ram Pickup 291,321 Chevrolet Silverado 138,411 GMC Sierra 139,296 Toyota Tacoma 43,865 Toyota Tundra The Tacoma and the Tundra (and 4 Runner) are going to be big challenges to Toyota's stated goal to offer a hybrid of every model. 18 mpg, 278 hp 2021 Toyota Tacoma 4WD DCAB MT TRD 380 miles range, 3.5 L, 6 cyl, Automatic (S6) 17 mpg, 270 hp 2021 Toyota 4Runner 4WD 391 miles range, 4.0 L, 6 cyl, Automatic (S5) 14 mpg, 381 hp 2021 Toyota Tundra 4WD 532 miles range, 5.7 L, 8 cyl, Automatic (S6) The new 2022 Tundra is expected to use a new twin-turbocharged 3.4-liter V-6 engine. A version of this engine makes 409 horsepower and 479 pound-feet of torque in the new global Land Cruiser. It may have better mileage than the 5.7 L, 8 cyl,, but it is still a long way from a hybrid. Toyota may end up using something called a "mild hybrid" which has a 48 volt electric system which runs everything in the car, but has nothing to do with propulsion. I just don't think people are going to want to buy a hybrid Tundra. ====================== You can build all the hybrids you want, but it doesn't mean people will buy them. A lot of people don't realize it, but the Highlander was the second hybrid that Toyota built after the Prius. Highlander hybrids were first sold in 2005, while Camry hybrids were first sold in 2006. But even after all that time, Toyota doesn't sell a large percentage of these vehicles as hybrids. 12.4% CAMRY 23.9% HIGHLANDER Given a choice, most people don't like the idea of paying extra money for less horsepower and potentially higher maintenance costs as the battery gets older. The savings on better mpg, don't outweigh the negatives in many people's minds. |
September 10th, 2021 at 11:18:41 AM permalink | |
Mission146 Administrator Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 4147 |
I don't speed, though I never had a problem going over fifty. Rental cars take a beating, though. But, yeah, the Elantra gets from 0-60 about two seconds faster than the PT Cruiser, coming in at just a hair under ten seconds...which is pretty ridiculous! LOL. They said top speed for a PT was 110 and I say absolutely not. There's no way that car gets to 110. I don't believe that whatsoever. "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman |