"My body, my choice"

Quote: kenarman

Deaths from automobiles are roughly double per capita of Covid deaths.

Are you sure about that? Us deaths from automobiles has ranged from 32,000 to 38,000 per year over the last ten years.

Quote: JimRockford

Are you sure about that? Us deaths from automobiles has ranged from 32,000 to 38,000 per year over the last ten years.

Egad, don't confuse him with facts: he's been swallowing endless spoonfuls of BS from Fox et al for several years now, and a sudden change of diet could be bad for his digestion.

Leave him to snack on his delusions.

Quote: rxwine

The case for banning smoking just about everywhere could be entirely based on your premise that by being around someone smoking you're being forced to violate "your body, your choice" unless you don't need to breathe. Because it's entering your body, just not by needle.

And if smoking was curing cancer instead of causing it, I'd be for mandatory smoking.

BTW, how does everyone feel about having your water system fluoridated without your consent? Do you remember signing anything? 69% of the country gets fluoridated water. Most may not even know it. Of course, bottled water has become more popular.

Why would anyone be against water fluoridation? Its regarded as one of the top public safety programs in American history even by the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/index.html

And, probably the greatest public health policy in regard to oral health (maybe tobacco policy is close), but water fluoridation benefits more people.

The only possible issue I see is 69% is way too low and some cities need to expand the program to add higher levels of fluoride beyond natural.

Quote: rxwine

If there is a more severe illness in the future, at least I won't be one of the ones flip flopping their position. Maybe you won't, but some on your side of the issue will stop considering mandatory vaccinations so abominable.

My position is more consistent. Again there is a cost benefit analysis to most of the other things you suggest. If a car was useless enough, but still dangerous it would be in the same category as to why are they allowed, killing the drivers and the rest of us.

But you're right, we will disagree. That's not been a problem.

I’m not going to do any flip flopping on it.

I figure, if a transmissible illness were more serious than Covid, that businesses and other venues would simply be more aggressive about requiring proof of vaccination for entry. If enough entities did it, then it would become borderline impossible to live a functional life unless you were in a position to do so without leaving the house.

Quote: rxwine

The case for banning smoking just about everywhere could be entirely based on your premise that by being around someone smoking you're being forced to violate "your body, your choice" unless you don't need to breathe. Because it's entering your body, just not by needle.

And if smoking was curing cancer instead of causing it, I'd be for mandatory smoking.

BTW, how does everyone feel about having your water system fluoridated without your consent? Do you remember signing anything? 69% of the country gets fluoridated water. Most may not even know it. Of course, bottled water has become more popular.

That’s garbage. Being around smoke or drinking in a bar—cost/benefit analysis. Besides, if bars perceive value in going 100% non-smoking (as a few have done of their own volition, in my experience) then they could do that.

If a casino has smoking and you choose to go to a casino, then you choose to be around smoke. Again, it’s cost/benefit. It’s for a person to decide whether or not gambling is an acceptable trade off for whatever perceived health risks or temporary discomfort.

I mostly drink bottled water, but I consent to having treated water, if that’s what you’re asking. I’ve never dug too deeply into what it’s being treated with, but I’m sure that I’d prefer a little fluoride to using water directly out of the Ohio River, or something.

Quote: Gandler

Why would anyone be against water fluoridation? Its regarded as one of the top public safety programs in American history even by the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/index.html

And, probably the greatest public health policy in regard to oral health (maybe tobacco policy is close), but water fluoridation benefits more people.

The only possible issue I see is 69% is way too low and some cities need to expand the program to add higher levels of fluoride beyond natural.

I am not a conspiracy theorist but fluoride in water is bizarre .

Why start and stop supplementing the public water system with fluoride? There are tons of other vitamins/minerals that are beneficial, but fluoride is the only one we’ve decided to force on people?

And in fact, it’s more or less useless with the advent of fluoride toothpaste:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/fluoridated-drinking-water/

It also causes people with fluoride sensitivity major issues.

Quote: gamerfreak

I am not a conspiracy theorist but fluoride in water is bizarre .

Why start and stop supplementing the public water system with fluoride? There are tons of other vitamins/minerals that are beneficial, but fluoride is the only one we’ve decided to force on people?

And in fact, it’s more or less useless with the advent of fluoride toothpaste:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/fluoridated-drinking-water/

It also causes people with fluoride sensitivity major issues.

It had to do with bad dental health. Way back you probably lost most of your teeth by age 50. You do not get much fluoride in your diet, so it was added to toothpaste and water. Dental health improved.

Quote: Mission146

I’m not going to do any flip flopping on it.

I figure, if a transmissible illness were more serious than Covid, that businesses and other venues would simply be more aggressive about requiring proof of vaccination for entry. If enough entities did it, then it would become borderline impossible to live a functional life unless you were in a position to do so without leaving the house.

Not much guessing is needed. I saw the reaction when people thought Ebola was coming into the country before it was decided that it was much less transmissible. It's easily prevented with simple measures, But it's not airborne. *Maybe if someone throws body fluids at you.

Quote: Gandler

Why would anyone be against water fluoridation? Its regarded as one of the top public safety programs in American history even by the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/index.html

And, probably the greatest public health policy in regard to oral health (maybe tobacco policy is close), but water fluoridation benefits more people.

The only possible issue I see is 69% is way too low and some cities need to expand the program to add higher levels of fluoride beyond natural.

Calcified pineal gland risk.

When they began to do that, how many of those lawmakers and/or health experts thought of a pineal gland, and if they did, knew how a pineal gland works and what it does?

Quote: DoubleGold

Calcified pineal gland risk.

When they began to do that, how many of those lawmakers and/or health experts thought of a pineal gland, and if they did, knew how a pineal gland works and what it does?

I just want clean water that is safe to consume
Not sure I want fluoride in my water